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maandag 28 april 2008 om 23:28
Wat een verschrikking, dochter (Elisabeth) 24 jaar onder de grond gewoond, verkracht geworden door je "vader", 7 kinderen gekregen.
De drie (klein)kinderen die ondergronds leefden, ik dacht dat ze 19, 18 en 5 jaar oud waren hebben nog nooit daglicht gezien.
Hoe moet dit drama verder gaan?
Hebben deze slachtoffers nog een leven? Nog een toekomst? Heeft die vrouw (de moeder van Elisabeth) echt van niets geweten? Ik heb zoveel vragen, ik heb zoveel medelijden met deze slachtoffers!
Wat vinden jullie hiervan?
De drie (klein)kinderen die ondergronds leefden, ik dacht dat ze 19, 18 en 5 jaar oud waren hebben nog nooit daglicht gezien.
Hoe moet dit drama verder gaan?
Hebben deze slachtoffers nog een leven? Nog een toekomst? Heeft die vrouw (de moeder van Elisabeth) echt van niets geweten? Ik heb zoveel vragen, ik heb zoveel medelijden met deze slachtoffers!
Wat vinden jullie hiervan?
woensdag 7 mei 2008 om 14:47
Ik las het ook net, dat hij zichzelf geen monster vindt. Ongelooflijk. Hij had ze beter wel kunnen vermoorden, wat hij ze heeft aangedaan, daar komen ze toch nooit meer overheen.
Ze zijn toch ook nog aan het onderzoeken of hij ook met z'n tengels aan Kerstin gezeten heeft? Het wordt met de dag weerzinwekkender dit verhaal.
Ze zijn toch ook nog aan het onderzoeken of hij ook met z'n tengels aan Kerstin gezeten heeft? Het wordt met de dag weerzinwekkender dit verhaal.
donderdag 8 mei 2008 om 16:26
Beetje oud nieuws al maar dit zag ik net:
Horrorkelder had tijdsklok
AMSTERDAM - De deur van de horrorkelder van Josef Fritzl had een tijdklok. Na 4 weken ongebruikt te zijn, zou de toegangspoort naar de hel automatisch openzwaaien.(...)
Ze zouden dus helemaal niet verhongerd zijn als hij dood was gegaan. Integendeel. Wat ongelofelijk zuur.
Horrorkelder had tijdsklok
AMSTERDAM - De deur van de horrorkelder van Josef Fritzl had een tijdklok. Na 4 weken ongebruikt te zijn, zou de toegangspoort naar de hel automatisch openzwaaien.(...)
Ze zouden dus helemaal niet verhongerd zijn als hij dood was gegaan. Integendeel. Wat ongelofelijk zuur.
vrijdag 9 mei 2008 om 10:45
(sorry, lang stuk tekst)
The Guardian, 9 mei 2008
Josef Fritzl, the man who incarcerated his daughter beneath his home for 24 years, has issued a frank confession from his cell, in which he has said he was driven by an addiction which "got out of control".
Fritzl, 73, said: "I knew that what I was doing was not right, that I must be mad for doing such a thing. But despite this, at the same time it became completely matter of fact for me that I had a second life which I led in the cellar of my house."
The pensioner made the statement in notes to his lawyer Rudolf Mayer, which were passed on, at Fritzl's request, to News, an Austrian current affairs magazine.
He admitted repeatedly raping his daughter Elisabeth. "It was like an addiction," he said.
He said he had taken few contraceptive precautions "because the truth was I wanted children from Elisabeth". Elisabeth, now 42, bore seven of his children between 1992 and 2002, one of whom died at three days old. "I was happy with the offspring," he said. "It was a lovely idea for me, to have a proper family ... in the cellar with a good wife and a couple of children."
Fritzl claimed that his emotions towards his daughter were a "redirection" of incestuous feelings he had felt towards his own mother, Maria, as a boy but which he had never been able to express. "My Mama was a strong woman," Fritzl said.
"She taught me the principles of discipline, order and hard work, and encouraged me in my school and professional life."
She raised him on her own, taking on several jobs to make ends meet following the second world war, he said. She had separated from her husband, whom Fritzl described as a "worthless scoundrel and a womaniser".
"She was as strict as needs be, the best woman in the world. And I was her husband in some way.
"She was the boss at home, but I was the only man in the house ... I succeeded in suppressing my desires."
The uncanny similarities he found between Elisabeth and his mother in terms of looks and abilities were what made him "choose her" rather than her other sisters, he said.
"My desire to have sex with Elisabeth became ever stronger," he said. "It was a vicious circle from which there was no exit."
But he insisted he still loved his wife of 52 years, Rosemarie, 68, with whom he has seven children. "The fact is I loved her and I still love her."
Locking up Elisabeth in 1984 he said, had been a way of controlling her. "She was very different to my other children," he said. "She'd go out the whole night long, drank alcohol ... even ran away twice. I brought her back each time."
He admitted drugging her and taking her to the cellar which it is believed he built specifically as her prison.
He said he "had to create a place where I could keep Elisabeth by force if necessary, away from the world.
"I knew that Elisabeth didn't like what I was doing to her, I knew I was hurting her. But the pressure to finally be able to do what was forbidden was just too strong within me."
The scenario became ever harder to control, he said. "With every week that I kept my daughter imprisoned my situation got ever crazier," he said.
"I considered again and again whether or not I should let her go. But I was not able to reach a decision although - and perhaps precisely because - I knew every day that passed, I'd be more severely judged for what I had done ... until one day it was simply too late to free Elisabeth."
He repeated his claim that he had installed a timer-device on the steel doors of the dungeon so that if anything happened to him they would open after a certain length of time. "Had I died Elisabeth and the children would have been set free."
He said he had not considered committing suicide. "I don't want to die," he said. "The only thing I want is to make amends."
Bah, ik word hier misselijk van. In mijn inziens probeert Fritzl met dit bericht sympathie te winnen, hij probeert zich kwetsbaar op te stellen en zegt dat hij het weer goed wil maken. yeah right. Ik geloof er geen bal van.
The Guardian, 9 mei 2008
Josef Fritzl, the man who incarcerated his daughter beneath his home for 24 years, has issued a frank confession from his cell, in which he has said he was driven by an addiction which "got out of control".
Fritzl, 73, said: "I knew that what I was doing was not right, that I must be mad for doing such a thing. But despite this, at the same time it became completely matter of fact for me that I had a second life which I led in the cellar of my house."
The pensioner made the statement in notes to his lawyer Rudolf Mayer, which were passed on, at Fritzl's request, to News, an Austrian current affairs magazine.
He admitted repeatedly raping his daughter Elisabeth. "It was like an addiction," he said.
He said he had taken few contraceptive precautions "because the truth was I wanted children from Elisabeth". Elisabeth, now 42, bore seven of his children between 1992 and 2002, one of whom died at three days old. "I was happy with the offspring," he said. "It was a lovely idea for me, to have a proper family ... in the cellar with a good wife and a couple of children."
Fritzl claimed that his emotions towards his daughter were a "redirection" of incestuous feelings he had felt towards his own mother, Maria, as a boy but which he had never been able to express. "My Mama was a strong woman," Fritzl said.
"She taught me the principles of discipline, order and hard work, and encouraged me in my school and professional life."
She raised him on her own, taking on several jobs to make ends meet following the second world war, he said. She had separated from her husband, whom Fritzl described as a "worthless scoundrel and a womaniser".
"She was as strict as needs be, the best woman in the world. And I was her husband in some way.
"She was the boss at home, but I was the only man in the house ... I succeeded in suppressing my desires."
The uncanny similarities he found between Elisabeth and his mother in terms of looks and abilities were what made him "choose her" rather than her other sisters, he said.
"My desire to have sex with Elisabeth became ever stronger," he said. "It was a vicious circle from which there was no exit."
But he insisted he still loved his wife of 52 years, Rosemarie, 68, with whom he has seven children. "The fact is I loved her and I still love her."
Locking up Elisabeth in 1984 he said, had been a way of controlling her. "She was very different to my other children," he said. "She'd go out the whole night long, drank alcohol ... even ran away twice. I brought her back each time."
He admitted drugging her and taking her to the cellar which it is believed he built specifically as her prison.
He said he "had to create a place where I could keep Elisabeth by force if necessary, away from the world.
"I knew that Elisabeth didn't like what I was doing to her, I knew I was hurting her. But the pressure to finally be able to do what was forbidden was just too strong within me."
The scenario became ever harder to control, he said. "With every week that I kept my daughter imprisoned my situation got ever crazier," he said.
"I considered again and again whether or not I should let her go. But I was not able to reach a decision although - and perhaps precisely because - I knew every day that passed, I'd be more severely judged for what I had done ... until one day it was simply too late to free Elisabeth."
He repeated his claim that he had installed a timer-device on the steel doors of the dungeon so that if anything happened to him they would open after a certain length of time. "Had I died Elisabeth and the children would have been set free."
He said he had not considered committing suicide. "I don't want to die," he said. "The only thing I want is to make amends."
Bah, ik word hier misselijk van. In mijn inziens probeert Fritzl met dit bericht sympathie te winnen, hij probeert zich kwetsbaar op te stellen en zegt dat hij het weer goed wil maken. yeah right. Ik geloof er geen bal van.
vrijdag 9 mei 2008 om 13:39
donderdag 15 mei 2008 om 07:13
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Incestslachtoffers bedanken voor medeleven
AMSTERDAM - De slachtoffers van de incestzaak in Oostenrijk hebben voor het eerst publiekelijk van zich laten horen. Elisabeth Fritzl en vijf van haar kinderen bedankten woensdag de inwoners van Amstetten voor hun medeleven
Ze lieten een handgeschreven boodschap ophangen in een glazen vitrine in het centrum van de stad. Daarin staat: "Wij, het hele gezin, willen van deze gelegenheid gebruik maken om jullie allemaal te danken voor jullie medeleven met ons lot. Dat helpt ons heel veel om deze moeilijke tijd door te komen en toont aan dat er ook goede en eerlijke mensen zijn. Wij hopen dat voor ons de tijd zal komen dat wij weer een normaal leven kunnen hebben."
Passanten die de brief lezen, zijn geëmotioneerd, schrijven Oostenrijkse media.
Elisabeth spreekt daarnaast de wens uit dat haar dochter Kerstin, die nog steeds in het ziekenhuis ligt, geneest. Er is ook een groot hart getekend en handen, waarin kleine boodschapjes van de moeder en kinderen zijn te lezen.
Het idee voor de publieke boodschap komt van het gezin zelf, zegt de advocaat van het gezin.
Rosemarie Fritzl, de echtgenote van de man die zijn dochter Elisabeth sinds 1984 gevangen hield en zes kinderen bij haar heeft verwekt, verblijft nog steeds met haar dochter en kleinkinderen in het ziekenhuis voor intensieve therapie. Rosemarie zegt dat zij haar vrienden en vrijheid mist.
Josef Fritzl zit in de gevangenis in St Poelten.
Incestslachtoffers bedanken voor medeleven
AMSTERDAM - De slachtoffers van de incestzaak in Oostenrijk hebben voor het eerst publiekelijk van zich laten horen. Elisabeth Fritzl en vijf van haar kinderen bedankten woensdag de inwoners van Amstetten voor hun medeleven
Ze lieten een handgeschreven boodschap ophangen in een glazen vitrine in het centrum van de stad. Daarin staat: "Wij, het hele gezin, willen van deze gelegenheid gebruik maken om jullie allemaal te danken voor jullie medeleven met ons lot. Dat helpt ons heel veel om deze moeilijke tijd door te komen en toont aan dat er ook goede en eerlijke mensen zijn. Wij hopen dat voor ons de tijd zal komen dat wij weer een normaal leven kunnen hebben."
Passanten die de brief lezen, zijn geëmotioneerd, schrijven Oostenrijkse media.
Elisabeth spreekt daarnaast de wens uit dat haar dochter Kerstin, die nog steeds in het ziekenhuis ligt, geneest. Er is ook een groot hart getekend en handen, waarin kleine boodschapjes van de moeder en kinderen zijn te lezen.
Het idee voor de publieke boodschap komt van het gezin zelf, zegt de advocaat van het gezin.
Rosemarie Fritzl, de echtgenote van de man die zijn dochter Elisabeth sinds 1984 gevangen hield en zes kinderen bij haar heeft verwekt, verblijft nog steeds met haar dochter en kleinkinderen in het ziekenhuis voor intensieve therapie. Rosemarie zegt dat zij haar vrienden en vrijheid mist.
Josef Fritzl zit in de gevangenis in St Poelten.
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