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Dvd brander brandt ineens geen dvd-r meer
woensdag 21 januari 2009 om 15:17
Hoi..
Sinds gisteravond een probleempje met mijn brander.
Ineens geeft hij een foutmelding bij het branden op dvd-r.
Branden op een cd-r doet hij wel alsmede ook een dvd+r
Het betreft een NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG.
Heel de dag brandde hij wel dvd+r en toen die op waren vond ik nog dvd-r maar nee hoor die wilde hij niet..
Zojuist een cd gebrandt met een cd-r en geen probleem.
Sinds gisteravond een probleempje met mijn brander.
Ineens geeft hij een foutmelding bij het branden op dvd-r.
Branden op een cd-r doet hij wel alsmede ook een dvd+r
Het betreft een NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG.
Heel de dag brandde hij wel dvd+r en toen die op waren vond ik nog dvd-r maar nee hoor die wilde hij niet..
Zojuist een cd gebrandt met een cd-r en geen probleem.
woensdag 21 januari 2009 om 21:51
Jawel want hij deed het eerst wel..
Hieronder wat gegevens van brander:
IDE/ATAPI interface with UltraDMA 33 (max. 33 MB/sec transfer rate)
Internal 12/8cm CD and DVD drive (half form factor)
Read Speed 16x max. DVD-ROM and 48x max. CD-ROM
Write Speed DVD+R: 16 max., DVD+RW: 4x max., DVD+R
DL: 4x,. DVD-R: 16x max,. DVD-RW: 4x. CD-R:
48x max,. CD-RW: 24x max.
Access Time (CD) 120 ms (CD), 140 ms (DVD)
Audio Digital-out and line-out at the back (MPC
compatible)
Burst Transfer Rate PIO mode 4/Ultra DMA 33
Cache 2 MB
Compatibility MPC level 3, Multi Read, PC2001
Dimensions (HxWxD) 42mm x 148mm x 190mm
Interface IDE/ATAPI
Mechanism Motorized tray load mechanism for horizontal
and vertical use
Media/Mode Supported DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+R
DL, DVD+RW, DVD-Video, CD-ROM, CD-ROM
XA, CD-Audio, CD Extra, CD Text, CD-I Ready,
CD-Bridge, Photo-CD, Video-CD, Hybrid-CD
Transfer Rate Read 48x CAV (max 7200 KB/s) CD,
16x CAV (max 22000 KB/s) DVD
Transfer Rate Write +R (DVD) 16x CAV (5500 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write -R (CD) 48x CAV (max. 7200 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write -R (DVD) 16x CAV (max. 22000 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write +R DL
(DVD)
4x CLV (5500 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write +R DL
(DVD)
24x VCLV (5500 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write -RW (CD) 24x ZCLV (max. 3600 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write +RW (DVD) 4x CLV (5500 KB/s)
Weight 1.0kg
Writing Methods DAO (disc at once), SAO (session at once), TAO
(track at once) with zero gap, variable or fixed
packet, multi-session
Hieronder wat gegevens van brander:
IDE/ATAPI interface with UltraDMA 33 (max. 33 MB/sec transfer rate)
Internal 12/8cm CD and DVD drive (half form factor)
Read Speed 16x max. DVD-ROM and 48x max. CD-ROM
Write Speed DVD+R: 16 max., DVD+RW: 4x max., DVD+R
DL: 4x,. DVD-R: 16x max,. DVD-RW: 4x. CD-R:
48x max,. CD-RW: 24x max.
Access Time (CD) 120 ms (CD), 140 ms (DVD)
Audio Digital-out and line-out at the back (MPC
compatible)
Burst Transfer Rate PIO mode 4/Ultra DMA 33
Cache 2 MB
Compatibility MPC level 3, Multi Read, PC2001
Dimensions (HxWxD) 42mm x 148mm x 190mm
Interface IDE/ATAPI
Mechanism Motorized tray load mechanism for horizontal
and vertical use
Media/Mode Supported DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+R
DL, DVD+RW, DVD-Video, CD-ROM, CD-ROM
XA, CD-Audio, CD Extra, CD Text, CD-I Ready,
CD-Bridge, Photo-CD, Video-CD, Hybrid-CD
Transfer Rate Read 48x CAV (max 7200 KB/s) CD,
16x CAV (max 22000 KB/s) DVD
Transfer Rate Write +R (DVD) 16x CAV (5500 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write -R (CD) 48x CAV (max. 7200 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write -R (DVD) 16x CAV (max. 22000 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write +R DL
(DVD)
4x CLV (5500 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write +R DL
(DVD)
24x VCLV (5500 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write -RW (CD) 24x ZCLV (max. 3600 KB/s)
Transfer Rate Write +RW (DVD) 4x CLV (5500 KB/s)
Weight 1.0kg
Writing Methods DAO (disc at once), SAO (session at once), TAO
(track at once) with zero gap, variable or fixed
packet, multi-session
woensdag 21 januari 2009 om 21:52
Ik heb ook een log van de mislukte sessie..
HP
JOLANDALINA
1a25-0006-7130-1352-4239-7903
Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 11-11-2003 13:49:52
Nero-versie: 6.3.0.0 (Nero Express)
Recorder: <_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG> Versie: 2.16 - HA 3 TA 1 - 6.3.0.0
Adapter-stuurprogramma:<atapi> HA 3
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
CD-ROM: <COMPAQ CD-ROM LTN486S >Versie: YQS8 - HA 3 TA 0 - 6.3.0.0
Adapter-stuurprogramma:<atapi> HA 3
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 6E040L0 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 6Y120L0 atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : COMPAQ CD-ROM LTN486S atapi Port 3 ID 0 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG atapi Port 3 ID 1 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
COMPAQ CD-ROM LTN486S E: CDRom0
_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG F: CDRom1
=======================
AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
CmdQueuing : 1
CmdNotification: 2
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
EraseSpeed : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 2047MB (2096624kB)
Free physical memory: 1654MB (1694708kB)
Memory in use : 19 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
20.1.2009
ISO-compilatie
23:31:16 #1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6029
Iso document burn settings
------------------------------------------
Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet : TRUE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE
23:31:16 #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running
23:31:16 #3 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
23:31:16 #4 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3094
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media
23:31:16 #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 239
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45)
Last address to be written: 2126047 (472:27.22)
23:31:16 #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 244
Write in overburning mode: FALSE
23:31:16 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2068
Recorder: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AM3
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
23:31:16 #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 405
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================
23:31:16 #9 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 779
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2126048 (2126048) = #2126048/472:27.23
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2126048 blocks [_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG]
--------------------------------------------------------------
23:31:16 #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 948
Prepare recorder [_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4354146304, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2126048 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
23:31:16 #11 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Begin met cache-opslag van bestanden
23:31:16 #12 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4061
Cache writing successful.
23:31:16 #13 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Cache-opslag van bestanden voltooid
23:31:16 #14 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Begin brandproces met 1x (1.380 kB/sec)
23:31:16 #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2264
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
23:31:16 #16 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
Set remaining time: 13:12,488 (792488ms) -> OK
23:31:16 #17 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1424
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
23:31:16 #18 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 19397
Set BUFE: JustLink -> ON
23:31:16 #19 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1539
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
23:31:16 #20 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 7912
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Media Specific:
60 00 10 20 30 40 50 00 - 00 00 21 00 00 00 00 00 `...0@P...!.....
02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
23:31:16 #21 SCSI -1046 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1170
SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 1, LUN 0
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x30
Sense Qual: 0x05
CDB Data: 0x53 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x70 0xE0 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x05
23:31:16 #22 CDR -1046 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1573
Ongeldige schijf
23:31:16 #23 TRANSFER -27 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1573
Kon start van Disc At Once niet uitvoeren
23:31:16 #24 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK
23:31:16 #25 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Brandproces mislukt met 1x (1.380 kB/sec)
Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=8.0.0.212 , size=9200 bytes, created 31-7-2008 23:17:04
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=3.00.67a, size=43872 bytes, created 31-7-2008 23:17:04 (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2108), size=96512 bytes, created 13-4-2008 19:40:30 (Adapter driver for rec)
Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
HP
JOLANDALINA
1a25-0006-7130-1352-4239-7903
Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 11-11-2003 13:49:52
Nero-versie: 6.3.0.0 (Nero Express)
Recorder: <_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG> Versie: 2.16 - HA 3 TA 1 - 6.3.0.0
Adapter-stuurprogramma:<atapi> HA 3
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
CD-ROM: <COMPAQ CD-ROM LTN486S >Versie: YQS8 - HA 3 TA 0 - 6.3.0.0
Adapter-stuurprogramma:<atapi> HA 3
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 6E040L0 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 6Y120L0 atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : COMPAQ CD-ROM LTN486S atapi Port 3 ID 0 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG atapi Port 3 ID 1 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
COMPAQ CD-ROM LTN486S E: CDRom0
_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG F: CDRom1
=======================
AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
CmdQueuing : 1
CmdNotification: 2
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
EraseSpeed : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 2047MB (2096624kB)
Free physical memory: 1654MB (1694708kB)
Memory in use : 19 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
20.1.2009
ISO-compilatie
23:31:16 #1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6029
Iso document burn settings
------------------------------------------
Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet : TRUE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE
23:31:16 #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running
23:31:16 #3 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
23:31:16 #4 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3094
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media
23:31:16 #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 239
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45)
Last address to be written: 2126047 (472:27.22)
23:31:16 #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 244
Write in overburning mode: FALSE
23:31:16 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2068
Recorder: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AM3
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
23:31:16 #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 405
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================
23:31:16 #9 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 779
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2126048 (2126048) = #2126048/472:27.23
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2126048 blocks [_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG]
--------------------------------------------------------------
23:31:16 #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 948
Prepare recorder [_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4354146304, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2126048 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
23:31:16 #11 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Begin met cache-opslag van bestanden
23:31:16 #12 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4061
Cache writing successful.
23:31:16 #13 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Cache-opslag van bestanden voltooid
23:31:16 #14 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Begin brandproces met 1x (1.380 kB/sec)
23:31:16 #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2264
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
23:31:16 #16 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
Set remaining time: 13:12,488 (792488ms) -> OK
23:31:16 #17 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1424
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
23:31:16 #18 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 19397
Set BUFE: JustLink -> ON
23:31:16 #19 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1539
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
23:31:16 #20 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 7912
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Media Specific:
60 00 10 20 30 40 50 00 - 00 00 21 00 00 00 00 00 `...0@P...!.....
02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
23:31:16 #21 SCSI -1046 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1170
SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 1, LUN 0
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x30
Sense Qual: 0x05
CDB Data: 0x53 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x70 0xE0 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x05
23:31:16 #22 CDR -1046 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1573
Ongeldige schijf
23:31:16 #23 TRANSFER -27 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1573
Kon start van Disc At Once niet uitvoeren
23:31:16 #24 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK
23:31:16 #25 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
Brandproces mislukt met 1x (1.380 kB/sec)
Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=8.0.0.212 , size=9200 bytes, created 31-7-2008 23:17:04
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=3.00.67a, size=43872 bytes, created 31-7-2008 23:17:04 (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2108), size=96512 bytes, created 13-4-2008 19:40:30 (Adapter driver for rec)
Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
woensdag 21 januari 2009 om 22:04
woensdag 21 januari 2009 om 22:04
Firmware updaten van je brander, of wellicht was je die dvd-r beschadigd? Dat kan altijd hè?
Koop een nieuwe en probeer opnieuw. Werkt het weer niet?
Dan een firmware update proberen. Vaak te downloaden op de supportsite van NEC
Let wel, als je je drive verkeerd flasht, dan kán het zijn dat je je brander naar de eeuwige jachtvelden stuurt.
Upgraden firmware dus op eigen risico!
Koop een nieuwe en probeer opnieuw. Werkt het weer niet?
Dan een firmware update proberen. Vaak te downloaden op de supportsite van NEC
Let wel, als je je drive verkeerd flasht, dan kán het zijn dat je je brander naar de eeuwige jachtvelden stuurt.
Upgraden firmware dus op eigen risico!
woensdag 21 januari 2009 om 22:10
woensdag 21 januari 2009 om 22:40
woensdag 21 januari 2009 om 22:58