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The Duggars: Counting On

11-04-2019 21:30 3372 berichten
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Praat mee over een van de meest vruchtbare families van Amerika!

:cheer2: Spoilers zijn welkom! :cheer2:

Insta Jessa
https://www.instagram.com/jessaseewald/?hl=nl

Insta Jinger
https://www.instagram.com/jingervuolo/

Insta Joy
https://www.instagram.com/joy4site/

Insta Jill
https://www.instagram.com/jillmdillard/?hl=nl

Insta Jana
https://www.instagram.com/janamduggar/?hl=nl

Insta Kendra
https://www.instagram.com/littleduggarfamily/?hl=nl

Insta Anna
https://www.instagram.com/annaduggar/

Insta Lauren
https://www.instagram.com/SiAndLaurenDuggar/?hl=nl

Insta Abbie
https://www.instagram.com/johnandabbie/?hl=nl

Insta Pa & Ma Duggar
https://www.instagram.com/duggarfam/?hl=nl

Insta Justin & Claire
https://www.instagram.com/justinsamduggar/?hl=nl

Insta Jed & Katey
https://www.instagram.com/jed_duggar/

Insta Jer
https://www.instagram.com/jerduggar/

Duggar Data
https://duggardata.tumblr.com

Free Jinger (Duggar topics)
https://www.freejinger.org/forum/251-qu ... f-duggars/
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_melon schreef:
30-04-2021 20:52
Zelfs al is er fysiek niks gebeurd of heeft hij geen beeldmateriaal gemaakt, alleen de gedachte al dat je broer op die manier naar je kinderen kijkt. :'(

Ja en je baby heeft vastgehouden... :sick:
Op 3 maart jl schreef Anna nog op Instagram: "Happy Birthday Joshua! I love being by your side - looking forward to what the next 33 years have in store for us!"

Nou, binnenkort zal ze het wel weten...20 jaar cel!
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LAgirl82 schreef:
30-04-2021 21:28
Op 3 maart jl schreef Anna nog op Instagram: "Happy Birthday Joshua! I love being by your side - looking forward to what the next 33 years have in store for us!"

Nou, binnenkort zal ze het wel weten...20 jaar cel!
Maar volgens verschillende websites wisten ze al even dat een arrestatie eraan zat te komen, heeft hij zich voorbereidt en zichzelf aangegeven. Hoe type je dan zo iets :( Of zal het allemaal niet waar zijn, het zichzelf aangeven wel denk ik. Dat is ook na te gaan.
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Caro_22 schreef:
30-04-2021 21:35
Maar volgens verschillende websites wisten ze al even dat een arrestatie eraan zat te komen, heeft hij zich voorbereidt en zichzelf aangegeven. Hoe type je dan zo iets :( Of zal het allemaal niet waar zijn, het zichzelf aangeven wel denk ik. Dat is ook na te gaan.
Kan goed zijn dat hij tegen Anna gelogen heeft over de reden waarom?
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Laat die 40 jaar maar komen. Heeft Anna rust.

During his court appearance Friday, the former 19 Kids and Counting star pleaded not guilty to two charges: one count of receipt of child pornography and one count of possession of child pornography. (His attorneys declined to have the judge read out the charges against him.)

According to a press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Western District of Arkansas, Josh faces up to 20 years of imprisonment and fines up to $250,000 on each of the two counts if he is convicted, making his total possible sentence 40 years.
We’re all mad here
Ik was ook nog aan het denken he toen ik in bed lag.
Zou dit (kinderporno) de échte reden zijn waarom Jinger en Jeremy sinds een tijdje hun kinderen niet meer laten zien op social media?
Jinger zei om ze privacy te geven, maar ik kan me goed voorstellen dat dit er wel goed inhakt en ze daarom ook deze keuze hebben gemaakt.
Dan wisten ze het dus wel al een tijdje?
Filmpje van Josh die de cel in gaat.
https://www.facebook.com/KNWAnews/video ... 6832368844
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Ik denk dat ik nu we snap waarom die twee jongens zo snel naar het altaar zijn geduwd.
Je zou maar een van hun bruiden zijn en eigenlijk weten dat je bruiloft om deze reden zo snel mogelijk moest plaatsvinden.
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Leuk zo’n engerd op je trouwfoto’s.
We’re all mad here
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Wat een bizarre wereld is het..

Why has Anna Duggar stayed with Josh and continued to have children with a confirmed child molester? My thoughts as a Duggar cult insider......

The Duggar family is the poster family for a homeschool, patriarchal, fundamentalist cult called the Advanced Training Institute (ATI) created by a man named Bill Gothard (BG). My family was involved with ATI during the same years that the Duggar family was and I used to hang out with the Duggar daughters in our small social circles.

I made my escape from ATI in 2015 after I came to the realization that I had been sexually groomed by BG as a minor. I soon joined a lawsuit against BG with 18 fellow victims with similar allegations and to this day I have been shunned by the community due to speaking out.

Let me explain some of the very specific teachings of ATI in hopes that you will understand exactly why the Duggar family has handled the Josh situation they way they have, and why Anna has continued to stay by his side and continued to birth his children.

1. The word “abuse” does not exist in ATI. When I came forward that I had been sexually molested as a child by my own father, it was not called abuse within my ATI circles, it was called being “inappropriate”. ATI followers are told that the way secular, professional therapists and the way the government handles abuse is bad. They are taught that sexual abuse is, more than anything, a sin, and therefore it must be handled within the church. Licensed professional therapist are considered dangerous, and so you are only allowed to seek Christian counseling. This is why when Josh first told his parents as a teenager that he was molesting his younger sisters, he was sent away to an ATI camp as therapy. Abuse is always dealt within the system.

2. ATI followers are taught to be thankful for abuse. I was told by Bill Gothard himself when he found out that I had been molested by my father that I needed to write my father letter THANKING him for molesting me, because it had made me spiritually stronger. Emotional, sexual, physical abuse are considered badges of honor within the system. There is no such thing as depression, anxiety, trauma response, or PTSD, and if you are dealing with symptoms of any of those then you are told you are not trusting God. This is what the Duggar daughters would have been taught regarding the abuse they experienced from their brother.

3. ATI followers are taught something called “The Power of Spoken Blessing”. If you are being abused by someone, you are not to confront them or seek help, but you are to pray a prayer that God would bless that person with the attributes they are missing. Example: “God please bless this person with patience, and kindness.” Again, most of the responsibility in dealing with abuse situations is placed on the victim.

4. ATI followers are taught that homeschooling is the only Godly way to educate your children. You are taught that public schools are dangerous and evil and that if you send your children to public school they will reject God. If Anna Duggar were to separate or divorce from her child-molesting husband, she would have to face the reality of putting her children in a public school while she went to work. This is *unimaginably terrifying* for an ATI woman, for she is taught this will destroy her children’s lives.

5. ATI women are taught that their calling in life by God is to be a stay at home mom and homemaker. ATI women are taught that if they seek higher education, or seek any employment outside of the home, they will be open to spiritual attacks from Satan, and will more than likely be raped by a random attacker or one of their children might die. Women are told they must live in a home under the authority of a man. Single women must live in heir father’s home until the authority has been “transferred” to their husband in a marriage ceremony. If Anna Duggar were to divorce and then live in her own home without the presence of an older male to protect her, she has been taught she would be open to attacks from Satan, and God might allow her to be raped, or murdered by an intruder as punishment for being out of submission of male authority. Yes, ATI women are literally taught that living under the authority of a male will offer them **guaranteed** divine protection. (That’s an exact quote from ATI material).

6. ATI followers are taught birth control is a sin. They are taught that “God opens and closes the womb”, and that preventing a pregnancy in ANY way, shape, or form, is not trusting God. This means, couples are not even allowed to consider natural family planning, for choosing to abstain from sex when the female is most fertile would mean you are not trusting God. Why has Anna continued to have children with Josh? Because she has been taught to believe she LITERALLY does not have a choice.

7. Speaking of sex, ATI women are taught that it is a sin to refuse your husband sex. They are taught that men have an uncontrollable sex drive, and that if a woman was to deny their husband at any time, this could cause their husband to “stumble” and possibly have an affair, or develop a porn addiction. Women are taught they are at fault for their husband cheating on them because it wouldn’t have happened it they had given him enough sex (and of course the man gets to decide what ‘enough’ looks like).

8. ATI followers are taught to practice shunning. When you are a part of ATI, you live in a bubble. You are taught that the outside world is dangerous and that you shouldn’t form relationships with anyone that does not conform to the same belief system taught by ATI. You are also taught not have any kind of relationship with people who have “gone astray”, and have left the belief system, INCLUDING FAMILY. If Anna Duggar were to leave, she would have no one to help her. She has no life outside of the fundamentalist word. She would not just be walking away from a marriage, she would be walking away from her entire community, her entire life, her entire culture. The system is designed to keep you in the bubble out of fear.

So there you are. Why has Anna Duggar stayed? Because she been programmed to believe she doesn't have the choice to leave. Why have the Duggar's continued to whitewash Josh’s actions? Because they have been taught that what he did was “inappropriate” and “a mistake” but nonetheless redeemable by God. They have been taught to deal with Josh’s problems privately, within ATI churches, and we all know how horrible the church is at properly handling abuse.

Anna Duggar does not need your condemnation right now. She does not need criticism for staying with Josh. She should not be told that she’s getting what she asked for because she choose to stay. She is a victim of a system designed to trap women. She needs our support. She needs our love. She needs brave people coming forward and telling her they will do whatever it takes to help her get out.

Please share this post. It’s time the world understand that the Duggar’s lifestyle of “old fashioned family values” is not one to be admired. It is a dangerous cult, that harbors and protect abusers and blames and shames victims.

~ Emily Elizabeth Anderson
Ik heb geen wespentaille, ik heb een bijenrompje
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Interessant Himalaya! Bizar dat dat zo in elkaar zit
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Een heel goed stuk van hymalaya.

Anna en haar ouders wisten voor de verloving van het betasten van de zussen. Maar dat was aangepakt in het verleden (op een manier die totaal verkeerd was maar Christelijk ok). Dat zorgde ervoor dat de problemen bleven bestaan en zelfs erger werden.

Want jaren later bleek hij haar te bedriegen en veelvuldig vreemd te gaan. Alleen doordat hij (door anderen) was ontdekt is het naar buiten gekomen. Anders was het nog veelvuldig aan het licht gekomen.

Er gaan al jaren geluiden van kindermisbruik en een totaal verstoorde seksuele opvoeding en vormgeving bij hem. Dat is zijn ouders direct aan te rekenen.

Ik hoop dat de autoriteiten Anna nu aanpakken en ingrijpen als ze opnieuw niets onderneemt. Zij is slachtoffer van het systeem. Maar het belang van de kinderen moet voor gaan. Anders stopt dit nooit.
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Promethium schreef:
01-05-2021 09:08
Interessant Himalaya! Bizar dat dat zo in elkaar zit
Nou vreselijk. Die arme vrouwen. Ze kunnen geen kant op, daar zijn ze van overtuigd.
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LAgirl82 schreef:
01-05-2021 07:17
Ik was ook nog aan het denken he toen ik in bed lag.
Zou dit (kinderporno) de échte reden zijn waarom Jinger en Jeremy sinds een tijdje hun kinderen niet meer laten zien op social media?
Jinger zei om ze privacy te geven, maar ik kan me goed voorstellen dat dit er wel goed inhakt en ze daarom ook deze keuze hebben gemaakt.
Dan wisten ze het dus wel al een tijdje?
Ze wisten het niet. Kan het me niet voorstellen iig. Mediageile Jeremy had dan nooit NU het boek uitgebracht.
himalaya schreef:
01-05-2021 08:51
Wat een bizarre wereld is het..

Why has Anna Duggar stayed with Josh and continued to have children with a confirmed child molester? My thoughts as a Duggar cult insider......

The Duggar family is the poster family for a homeschool, patriarchal, fundamentalist cult called the Advanced Training Institute (ATI) created by a man named Bill Gothard (BG). My family was involved with ATI during the same years that the Duggar family was and I used to hang out with the Duggar daughters in our small social circles.

I made my escape from ATI in 2015 after I came to the realization that I had been sexually groomed by BG as a minor. I soon joined a lawsuit against BG with 18 fellow victims with similar allegations and to this day I have been shunned by the community due to speaking out.

Let me explain some of the very specific teachings of ATI in hopes that you will understand exactly why the Duggar family has handled the Josh situation they way they have, and why Anna has continued to stay by his side and continued to birth his children.

1. The word “abuse” does not exist in ATI. When I came forward that I had been sexually molested as a child by my own father, it was not called abuse within my ATI circles, it was called being “inappropriate”. ATI followers are told that the way secular, professional therapists and the way the government handles abuse is bad. They are taught that sexual abuse is, more than anything, a sin, and therefore it must be handled within the church. Licensed professional therapist are considered dangerous, and so you are only allowed to seek Christian counseling. This is why when Josh first told his parents as a teenager that he was molesting his younger sisters, he was sent away to an ATI camp as therapy. Abuse is always dealt within the system.

2. ATI followers are taught to be thankful for abuse. I was told by Bill Gothard himself when he found out that I had been molested by my father that I needed to write my father letter THANKING him for molesting me, because it had made me spiritually stronger. Emotional, sexual, physical abuse are considered badges of honor within the system. There is no such thing as depression, anxiety, trauma response, or PTSD, and if you are dealing with symptoms of any of those then you are told you are not trusting God. This is what the Duggar daughters would have been taught regarding the abuse they experienced from their brother.

3. ATI followers are taught something called “The Power of Spoken Blessing”. If you are being abused by someone, you are not to confront them or seek help, but you are to pray a prayer that God would bless that person with the attributes they are missing. Example: “God please bless this person with patience, and kindness.” Again, most of the responsibility in dealing with abuse situations is placed on the victim.

4. ATI followers are taught that homeschooling is the only Godly way to educate your children. You are taught that public schools are dangerous and evil and that if you send your children to public school they will reject God. If Anna Duggar were to separate or divorce from her child-molesting husband, she would have to face the reality of putting her children in a public school while she went to work. This is *unimaginably terrifying* for an ATI woman, for she is taught this will destroy her children’s lives.

5. ATI women are taught that their calling in life by God is to be a stay at home mom and homemaker. ATI women are taught that if they seek higher education, or seek any employment outside of the home, they will be open to spiritual attacks from Satan, and will more than likely be raped by a random attacker or one of their children might die. Women are told they must live in a home under the authority of a man. Single women must live in heir father’s home until the authority has been “transferred” to their husband in a marriage ceremony. If Anna Duggar were to divorce and then live in her own home without the presence of an older male to protect her, she has been taught she would be open to attacks from Satan, and God might allow her to be raped, or murdered by an intruder as punishment for being out of submission of male authority. Yes, ATI women are literally taught that living under the authority of a male will offer them **guaranteed** divine protection. (That’s an exact quote from ATI material).

6. ATI followers are taught birth control is a sin. They are taught that “God opens and closes the womb”, and that preventing a pregnancy in ANY way, shape, or form, is not trusting God. This means, couples are not even allowed to consider natural family planning, for choosing to abstain from sex when the female is most fertile would mean you are not trusting God. Why has Anna continued to have children with Josh? Because she has been taught to believe she LITERALLY does not have a choice.

7. Speaking of sex, ATI women are taught that it is a sin to refuse your husband sex. They are taught that men have an uncontrollable sex drive, and that if a woman was to deny their husband at any time, this could cause their husband to “stumble” and possibly have an affair, or develop a porn addiction. Women are taught they are at fault for their husband cheating on them because it wouldn’t have happened it they had given him enough sex (and of course the man gets to decide what ‘enough’ looks like).

8. ATI followers are taught to practice shunning. When you are a part of ATI, you live in a bubble. You are taught that the outside world is dangerous and that you shouldn’t form relationships with anyone that does not conform to the same belief system taught by ATI. You are also taught not have any kind of relationship with people who have “gone astray”, and have left the belief system, INCLUDING FAMILY. If Anna Duggar were to leave, she would have no one to help her. She has no life outside of the fundamentalist word. She would not just be walking away from a marriage, she would be walking away from her entire community, her entire life, her entire culture. The system is designed to keep you in the bubble out of fear.

So there you are. Why has Anna Duggar stayed? Because she been programmed to believe she doesn't have the choice to leave. Why have the Duggar's continued to whitewash Josh’s actions? Because they have been taught that what he did was “inappropriate” and “a mistake” but nonetheless redeemable by God. They have been taught to deal with Josh’s problems privately, within ATI churches, and we all know how horrible the church is at properly handling abuse.

Anna Duggar does not need your condemnation right now. She does not need criticism for staying with Josh. She should not be told that she’s getting what she asked for because she choose to stay. She is a victim of a system designed to trap women. She needs our support. She needs our love. She needs brave people coming forward and telling her they will do whatever it takes to help her get out.

Please share this post. It’s time the world understand that the Duggar’s lifestyle of “old fashioned family values” is not one to be admired. It is a dangerous cult, that harbors and protect abusers and blames and shames victims.

~ Emily Elizabeth Anderson

Ja, dit klopt helaas helemaal.
Je hebt inderdaad de 'umbrella of protection' waar de vader of man bovenaan staat en daar onderuit gaan of zelfs het in vraag stellen is gevaarlijk en kan je aangevallen worden door Satan en zou je bescherming verliezen.
En ik heb al eens zo'n fundie horen zeggen dat als je als getrouwde vrouw werkt dat je dan een "twee-koppig monster" maakt of zoiets.
Want je man is je hoofd en autoriteit maar als je gaat werken is ook je baas je hoofd en dan heb je dus een "twee-koppig monster" wat je kapot maakt of zoiets. En dat de werkvloer zeer onveilig is voor een vrouw want je man is er niet om je te beschermen en dan kan je seksueel misbruikt worden of verkracht.

Het is geen gewoon bijbels christendom zoals wij de Evangelische christenen kennen hier in Nederland, het is echt een extreme sekte, die zich ook evangelisch of baptist noemt.
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Het is dan natuurlijk wel met twee maten meten om Anne niet kwalijk te nemen dat zij haar kinderen geen veilige jeugd biedt en Josh wel alles kwalijk te nemen wat hij doet. Terwijl ze beiden product zijn van een verknipte, misdadige opvoeding.

Alsof passief handelen en niks doen voor je kinderen en je kinderen kwaad laten doen minder erg is dan actief handelen en je kinderen kwaad doen.
Zou toch ook niks zijn als Anna de rest van haar leven in de loods moet blijven wonen of ergens op het land van de Duggars en onderhouden moet worden door Jim Bob Duggar en dat hij dan haar hoofd zal worden als Josh in de gevangenis zit.

Ik hoop echt dat ze naar haar broer gaat ofzo.
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AnAppleADay schreef:
01-05-2021 08:27
Ik denk dat ik nu we snap waarom die twee jongens zo snel naar het altaar zijn geduwd.
Je zou maar een van hun bruiden zijn en eigenlijk weten dat je bruiloft om deze reden zo snel mogelijk moest plaatsvinden.
Denk je echt dat ze dit wisten? Dan heb je als Josh zijnde toch alle kans om dat materiaal van je computer te wissen, of desnoods je computer te vernietigen ofzo.
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PepperyPie schreef:
01-05-2021 10:00
Denk je echt dat ze dit wisten? Dan heb je als Josh zijnde toch alle kans om dat materiaal van je computer te wissen, of desnoods je computer te vernietigen ofzo.
Dat is allemaal in 2019 al in beslag genomen he?
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_melon schreef:
01-05-2021 10:01
Dat is allemaal in 2019 al in beslag genomen he?
Dan móeten bepaalde familieleden er toch iets van geweten hebben!
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LAgirl82 schreef:
01-05-2021 07:17
Zou dit (kinderporno) de échte reden zijn waarom Jinger en Jeremy sinds een tijdje hun kinderen niet meer laten zien op social media?
Dat was precies wat ik ook dacht!
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Elizabethie schreef:
01-05-2021 10:18
Dan móeten bepaalde familieleden er toch iets van geweten hebben!
Heel de wereld wist dat, maar niet het waarom.
Ik denk wel dat JB het wist en zou me niks verbazen dat er ovet hem ook ooit nog zoiets naar buiten komt.
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_melon schreef:
01-05-2021 10:01
Dat is allemaal in 2019 al in beslag genomen he?
Oh oke! Dan zou het goed kunnen dat Josh JB heeft ingelicht (hoe zou dat gesprek zijn geweest...) en dat ze die huwelijken snel geregeld hebben.

(Ik wist dat niet van 2019 - heb de nieuwsartikelen niet gelezen gisteren, alleen dit forum.)
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LAgirl82 schreef:
01-05-2021 07:17
Ik was ook nog aan het denken he toen ik in bed lag.
Zou dit (kinderporno) de échte reden zijn waarom Jinger en Jeremy sinds een tijdje hun kinderen niet meer laten zien op social media?
Die link snap ik even niet.
PepperyPie schreef:
01-05-2021 10:24
Oh oke! Dan zou het goed kunnen dat Josh JB heeft ingelicht (hoe zou dat gesprek zijn geweest...) en dat ze die huwelijken snel geregeld hebben.

(Ik wist dat niet van 2019 - heb de nieuwsartikelen niet gelezen gisteren, alleen dit forum.)
Welke huwelijken gaat het nu over?

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