Black Lives Matter vs. All Lives Matter

Kaaaaaaaatje schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:25

Mag ik hier wat anders vragen? Ik ben op bijna alle mogelijke manieren geprivileerd . Blank, midden klasse ouders, beter, gezond. Ik doe mijn best niet actief racistisch te zijn.

Maar dan nu. Wat kan ik nu doen om een verschil te maken en het echt anders te doen.

Deze vraag blijven stellen en je leven leiden. Je zult vanzelf zaken zien of misschien aanvoelen waarbij je iemand kunt helpen door je mond open te trekken of naast iemand te gaan staan.

Ellerlilalinne schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:41

Racisten kan je beter links laten liggen. Vinden ze niet leuk.

Woordgrapje Meer dan een woordgrapje is het niet want je hebt ook linkse racisten.

Hoe dan ook negeren. Zonde van je tijd en energie.

Je hebt gelijk.

Miskotto schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:39

Als ik hier de eensgezindheid zie als het gaat over racisme, dan krijg ik het er warm van, want vele witte Nederlanders zijn het ermee eens dat racisme echt niet kan, maarrrrr wat is dan de reden dat Sylvana overal is uitgekotst, dat zij dood moest of dat zij de bananenboot weer terug moest nemen, want wat Sylvana zegt is precies wat wij hier pagina's lang roepen.
Ik ben benieuwd hoe jullie hierover denken. Ja ? Zie jij hier alleen maar eensgezindheid in dit topic ?


Nu in ieder geval duidelijk is dat er wel degelijk racisme is, heb ik goede hoop, dat over een x aantal jaar de traditionele zwarte piet, plaats zal maken voor een figuur waardoor ALLE, kinderen in Nederland een leuk sinterklaasfeest kunnen vieren.

Miskotto schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:39

Als ik hier de eensgezindheid zie als het gaat over racisme, dan krijg ik het er warm van, want vele witte Nederlanders zijn het ermee eens dat racisme echt niet kan, maarrrrr wat is dan de reden dat Sylvana overal is uitgekotst, dat zij dood moest of dat zij de bananenboot weer terug moest nemen, want wat Sylvana zegt is precies wat wij hier pagina's lang roepen.
Ik ben benieuwd hoe jullie hierover denken.


Nu in ieder geval duidelijk is dat er wel degelijk racisme is, heb ik goede hoop, dat over een x aantal jaar de traditionele zwarte piet, plaats zal maken voor een figuur waardoor ALLE, kinderen in Nederland een leuk sinterklaasfeest kunnen vieren.

Ik kots Sylvana dan persoonlijk niet uit, maar ben beslist geen fan van haar. Mer haar boodschap ben ik het vaak best eens, maar met de wijze waarop ze het brengt niet.
En ik denk dat het overgrote merendeel echt niet achter de doodsbedreigingen staat hoor.

En verder zal er best een aantal mensen zijn, dat haar boodschap te confronterend vindt.

Kaaaaaaaatje schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:25

Mag ik hier wat anders vragen? Ik ben op bijna alle mogelijke manieren geprivileerd . Blank, midden klasse ouders, beter, gezond. Ik doe mijn best niet actief racistisch te zijn.

Maar dan nu. Wat kan ik nu doen om een verschil te maken en het echt anders te doen.

Mag ik vragen wat je bedoelt met het woordje "beter" ...?

Black Lives Matter, Girls matter, Lesbian/Gay matters en zo kan ik het lijstje wel af gaan. Deze maand zou de gay pride zijn en over #metoo en Girls rights zijn we ook nog niet uitgesproken. Voor heel veel mensen is gelijkwaardige behandeling niet vanzelfsprekend. Racisme en discriminatie lijkt juist erger te worden door de gepolariseerde tijd waar in we nu leven. Populisten zetten groepen mensen weg op basis van religie, kleur, geaardheid of geslacht. Zolang we dat soort figuren macht geven bij verkiezingen, is het probleem niet minder geworden. Misschien toch eens nadenken voor je een kruisje zet....

fashionvictim schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:11

Jezus, wat zit je toch weer dom te bazelen.

je hebt PB

MrsDuck schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:50

Black Lives Matter, Girls matter, Lesbian/Gay matters en zo kan ik het lijstje wel af gaan. Deze maand zou de gay pride zijn en over #metoo en Girls rights zijn we ook nog niet uitgesproken. Voor heel veel mensen is gelijkwaardige behandeling niet vanzelfsprekend. Racisme en discriminatie lijkt juist erger te worden door de gepolariseerde tijd waar in we nu leven. Populisten zetten groepen mensen weg op basis van religie, kleur, geaardheid of geslacht. Zolang we dat soort figuren macht geven bij verkiezingen, is het probleem niet minder geworden. Misschien toch eens nadenken voor je een kruisje zet....

Goed punt.

vivautrecht85 schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:44

Ik kots Sylvana dan persoonlijk niet uit, maar ben beslist geen fan van haar. Mer haar boodschap ben ik het vaak best eens, maar met de wijze waarop ze het brengt niet.
En ik denk dat het overgrote merendeel echt niet achter de doodsbedreigingen staat hoor.

En verder zal er best een aantal mensen zijn, dat haar boodschap te confronterend vindt.

Dit heb ik vaker gehoord, ik vraag me ook echt af of wat de reden is dat zij snel bij mensen in de allergie zit.
Ze is heel welbespraakt, voelt men zich daardoor grintimideerd??

Kaaaaaaaatje schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:23

Deze statistiek klopt, echter het is nogal beperkt om niet verder te kijken dan je neus lang is. Als je de deze groep splitst naar sociaal economische achtergrond dan is ze niet te onderscheiden van autochtone Nederlanders.

Tien jaar geleden hadden we deze discussie ook al met precies dezelfde mensen en pejeka en de statistieken
Uren, dagen, nachtenlang CBS-statistieken ontleed. Maar waar sommige meningen nooit zullen veranderen zie je gelukkig dat de samenleving in die tien jaar wél in beweging is geweest.

Miskotto schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:09

Dit heb ik vaker gehoord, ik vraag me ook echt af of wat de reden is dat zij snel bij mensen in de allergie zit.
Ze is heel welbespraakt, voelt men zich daardoor grintimideerd??

Nee, het is haar gruwelijk badinerende (en onsympathieke) houding. Volgens mij totale overcompensatie.

Vief74 schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:15

Nee, het is haar gruwelijk badinerende (en onsympathieke) houding. Volgens mij totale overcompensatie.

Toch komt ze beter tot haar recht als activist dan als politicus.

justagirly schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 20:50

Mag ik vragen wat je bedoelt met het woordje "beter" ...?

Fuck hetero moet er staan. Auto correct

Ben benieuwd wat jullie van dit stuk vinden:

Black Lives Matter don’t care about black people. Want evidence? Name me a single time - just once - when they’ve protested against black people being killed by other black people? Whether in America or elsewhere?
Why is this relevant?
Because the biggest cause of death for black men aged 15-45 in USA is... other black men. Compare to white people, where it’s traffic accidents for the younger portion and heart attacks for those over 35.
Or how about the black lives in Sudan, East Timor, Libya?
Why do we only ever hear from BLM when it’s a white person killing a black person?

2. Speaking of which - imagine if white people started doing the reverse. Imagine every time a white person was killed by a black person, there’d be protests, riots, looting and
social media campaigns. First thing to notice is that it would be more frequent, because African Americans kill more white people in the US than white people kill African Americans. Now what?
Should we really start applying the race card every time there’s a murder involving more than one pigmentation? Where will it end?

3. Police killings. The video of the murder of George Floyd is so visceral, by showing the casual evil with which officer Derek Chauvin kills
George Floyd. People are rightly outraged, and no one can honestly defend the officer, who rightly has been arrested and hopefully will spend his remaining years behind bars (although the prosecutor has been idiotic in moving the case from 2nd degree to first degree murder -
a burden of proof they will most likely fail to provide).

But... The only reason people are up in arms about these is that the social media and MSM attention focuses disproportionately on these incidents when the victim is black and the officer isn't. Don't believe me?
Let me prove it:
You've all heard of Tamir Rice - a 12 year old black boy who was murdered when brandishing a toy gun. It was all over the news, there were riots and marches, hashtags and universal condemnation all over the media.
But how many of you have heard of Daniel Shaver?
A white man who was showing his friends a scoped air rife used to exterminate birds who entered his store, and was killed for this?

You may remember the case of Sam DuBose, a black man who was shot dead for driving his car away from from the police.
The exact same thing happened to before that to Andrew Thomas, a white man driving away from the police. None of you have heard of him.

Alton Sterling was a black man shot dead by the police when reaching into his pocket for his wallet - a travesty.
The same thing happened to a white guy named Dylan Noble. Sterling made national headlines, none of us heard a word about Noble. Loren Simpson was a white teenager who was shot dead by the police in eerily similar circumstances as George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin.
You've not heard of the former, but demanded justice for the latter. You've not heard of James Boyd, Alfred Redwine, Brandon Stanley or Mary Hawkes.

But you've heard of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile.
Because the only times police killings make the news is when the victim is black and the officer isn't.

Here are the FBI, NCJRS and BJS statistics:

For every 10, 000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed by the police.
For every 10, 000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed by the police.
In 2019, 49 unarmed people were killed by the police. 9 were black. 19 were white.
The likelihood for a black person being shot by the police is as high as being struck by lightning.
Yet, we are seeing riots, every single post on Instagram and Twitter is in support of Black Lives Matter and denunciation of police in America...

4. "Systemic Racism" / "Institutionalised racism".

Sound good, don't they? Such powerful words...
and completely inaccurate. First, let's see what the claims being made are:

Both insinuate built-in racism within various official institutions (police, law, governments etc).
Yet, when they are challenged, by asking the proponents to provide *evidence* for these, nothing is provided. Name one single law that is targeting exclusively black people. Just one. There isn't one.
If the police is "systematically" anti-black, explain how it is possible that 20% of the Police Force in America is black (African Americans in America constitute roughly 14% of the population, meaning that blacks are *overrepresented* within the police force!)?
Now, imagine how incredibly racist it is to say that the 100, 000 plus black police officers are too stupid to know that they are working inside and within a racist institution? That really is racism. And none of them have come out and said anything???
None of them have gone on 60 Minutes and said "We are being trained to be racists"? Seriously?

How about governments? Well, let's leave aside the fact that America just had a two-term black president (whose second name was Hussein, by the way).
Some of America's worst run cities have black mayors, black governors and majority black councils. Look at two of the worst cities in America to be black in:
Baltimore and Chicago. Why is it that a place where the people in power are black can be *worse* for the African American
Community, than cities that aren't run by black politicians? This is a knock-down argument.

5. Disparity.

People often look at the economic disparities between blacks and whites, and claim it to be evidence for institutionalised racism. It says something about the power of a
narrative, when it has been debunked decades ago - by BLACK ECONOMISTS (like The Great Thomas Sowell) - yet the myth persists.

First of all, at no point in human history has any two groups of people had the same level of wealth or income as each other.
It would be an absolute miracle to expect that people with different backgrounds, cultures, histories, values and ethics to have the same level of wealth.

This is even true within so called races - compare for example Black Americans (generational) vs Black Immigrants...
particularly the ones from West Indies (Jamaica, Barbados etc.).

You couldn't tell these people apart, just by looking at them, and whatever racism is in place for one group must by definition be applied for the second group.
But what they have is completely different values and work ethics (the Jamaicans arriving in the US does so commonly to achieve greater heights than what he or she can in their home country).
Whatever level of systemic racism exists, they are subjected to it as much as the African American.

Yet, already in the 1970's (!!!), when racism was far more prevalent than it is today, Black Americans from the West Indies were earning 58% more than the Black American whose
generations go back centuries in the United States. How could that be, if there's supposed to be such a thing as "systemic racism"?

Disparities are only proof of disparities. Just because Group X doesn't have the same as Group Y, doesn't mean that it's explained by racism.
And why does this so called "White Supremacy" only run against one group of Black Americans? Why doesn't it run against Asian Americans, who out earn White Americans by over 60%? Why doesn't it apply to Jewish Americans? Or Indian Americans, all of whom earn more than...
White Americans??

Maybe there's something else going on...?

In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan published his report "The Negro Family: The Case For National Action", where he saw that African American households were 25% single mothers - a frightening statistic that would have
devastating consequences. Since then, Jim Crow laws and Red Lining have all been removed from the books, Martin Luther King Jr. and The Civil Rights Movement made tremendous strides and we've now even had a black two-term president.

But, today, black households with no paternal
figure, and only a single mother constitute SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT of all black households in America!!! SEVENTY FIVE!!!!

Now you tell me, which is the better explanation for young black children ending up in a life of crime - the lack of a father figure, or the mythical,
non-explainable entity known only as "institutional racism", which for some reasons doesn't apply to Nigerian immigrants, to black immigrants from West Indies, to Indian people, to Jewish people, to Asian Americans...?

6. Criminality.
"Why are blacks being disproportionately imprisoned? There's a racist Prison Industry Complex!"

The key word here is "disproportionately". Because it most certainly is true that African Americans make out the majority of prisoners in America, but what is the evidence that
this is disproportionate? It's non-existent.

Let's look at the stats:

Black Americans constitute roughly 14% of the population in America, yet they commit 50% of all the murders. But, this is misleading - because it's not the elderly, nor the children nor the women who commit
the murders. It's almost exclusively the young men (15-40). That constitutes about a fourth of the black population, which means that about 3.5% of the American population are responsible for 50% of all the murders!

Read this again: 3.5% of Americans are responsible for 50% of
all murders.

You will find similar astonishing figures for drug related crimes, armed robberies, breaking and entering and gang violence.

So, even though it is true that black people make up the majority of the prison population, the incarceration rates are only proportionate
against the crime rate, not the population.

7. History of slavery, Jim Crow and Red Lining

"Well, that maybe so, but it's because of the history of slavery and Jim Crow!"

I don't doubt the good intentions of those making these arguments, but they don't actually see how it is
a classic case of Racism of lower expectations.

No one has been able to provide a logical link between historical racism and the plight of people today.

First of all, what's unique about racism in America (and Britain, for that matter) is that these countries abolished slavery
when they did! They were among the first countries in the world to do so, and America even fought a bloody civil war to implement the 13th Amendment. Almost every country in the world practiced slavery, and there are many - particularly in Subsaharan Africa - who still do to this
day.

And it most certainly is true that racism didn't end with slavery, and evil practices such as Jim Crow, segregation and Red Lining were practiced until the 70's. But - and here is the most astonishing fact of all - African American's had *more* wealth and less unemployment
during those times than today, when such practices have been abolished and are rightly considered moral evils.

Now, before anyone makes the nonsensical claim that "You're saying we should oppress them then, because they had it better!?", let me explain that correlation does not
mean causation. But just as facts don't care about feelings, reality won't comply with narrative.

8. "America is a White Supremacist society!"

This is one of the most egregious claims out there. First of all, compared to what? Show me a country where blacks are a minority, but
still get to be elected presidents, have more than 50 Mayors, congressmen and women, run city councils and have had multiple presidential candidates. Show me one.

America (and Britain) are two of the least racist societies on earth and in history. For god's sake, look at the
response from the murder of George Floyd! Just look at the outpouring of support for black people, the universal condemnation of racism from exactly all corners of the political spectrum, the complete solidarity from every white person with a social media account.
9. "Black Lives Matter"

This is a big one. Because I don't know of many organisations who care less about black lives than Black Lives Matter. 93% of all killings of black people are done by other blacks - BLM are completely silent on this.
BLM has never - not a single time - had a march or campaign black people being killed en massé in places like Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia or Libya.

Instead, what they have done is to have chants like "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" (about the police), which inspired a
lunatic in Dallas to murder 3 police officers.

During the current riots, a 77 year old, black former Police Captain - David Dorn - was murdered by rioters. BLM has not said a word.

BLM reject Martin Luther King Jr.'s sentiment that people should
"...be judged based on the content of their character, not the colour of their skin". If you've actually listened to the "I have a dream" speech, that line is the one which got the loudest cheers and applauses.
BLM believe people who aspire to apply this principle of colour blindness are racists.

Conclusion:

I can go on and on. I've provided my sources below, and I can point to the works of economists and criminologists and historians for further data.
But I don't it will matter - the narrative is too strong, and people are too emotionally invested. Facts don't stand a chance.

People are so keen to use the tragic murder of George Floyd to wave their anti-racism badges and flags. It makes them feel good.
Black friends of mine, who are incredibly successful in their fields, are talking about how they've been victims all their lives, even though they are some of the luckiest people who have ever lived, regardless of race.

All I ask of you, if you're reading this
(and I doubt many will, certainly not to the end) is to ask yourself "What if what Amir is saying is true?"

That's all I can hope for.

Miskotto schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:09

Dit heb ik vaker gehoord, ik vraag me ook echt af of wat de reden is dat zij snel bij mensen in de allergie zit.
Ze is heel welbespraakt, voelt men zich daardoor grintimideerd??

Ik vind haar pedant overkomen.
Misschien geldt het voor andere mensen, maar ik voel me niet door haar geïntimideerd. Sterker nog: ik vind haar helemaal niet zo welbespraakt. Ze heeft wat voorgekauwde zinnen die ze met gemak oplepelt, maar als ze tegenstand krijgt in debatten in de gemeenteraad, komt er weinig constructiefs uit.

kadanz schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:10

Tien jaar geleden hadden we deze discussie ook al met precies dezelfde mensen en pejeka en de statistieken
Uren, dagen, nachtenlang CBS-statistieken ontleed. Maar waar sommige meningen nooit zullen veranderen zie je gelukkig dat de samenleving in die tien jaar wél in beweging is geweest.

Hahaha,ik dacht net precies hetzelfde! Ik weet het nog precies, jij en ik zaten tot diep in de nacht cijfers om zijn oren te slaan.

En ik bedacht van de week ook al dat het toch wel bijzonder is om te zien hoe de tijd toch zijn werk heeft gedaan. Er is weliswaar in hele kleine stapjes per keer, stiekem toch best wel veel vooruitgang geboekt. Veel kleine stapjes zijn ook een grote.

Kaaaaaaaatje schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:19

Fuck hetero moet er staan. Auto correct

Ah!

Vief74 schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:15

Nee, het is haar gruwelijk badinerende (en onsympathieke) houding. Volgens mij totale overcompensatie.

Nou, als vrouw word je al snel badinerend gevonden als je argumenten hebt, en al helemaal als het goede argumenten zijn. Ben je ook nog eens een zwarte vrouw dan gaan mensen al uit hun plaat als je gewoon een vraag stelt.

vivautrecht85 schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:21

Ik vind haar pedant overkomen.
Misschien geldt het voor andere mensen, maar ik voel me niet door haar geïntimideerd. Sterker nog: ik vind haar helemaal niet zo welbespraakt. Ze heeft wat voorgekauwde zinnen die ze met gemak oplepelt, maar als ze tegenstand krijgt in debatten in de gemeenteraad, komt er weinig constructiefs uit.

Persoonlijk vind ik Sylvana ook niet de allerslimste, maar ik vind haar zeker wel een van de allerdappersten. Want jezusmina wat heeft die vrouw een stront over zich heen gekregen. Menig ander was er aan bezweken.

Echt, als al die witte mensen eens net zoveel energie zouden steken in bijvoorbeeld hun eigen geschiedenis of in bijvoorbeeld staatskunde als dat ze doen in de krochten van het internet doorspitten op zoek naar die ene zwarte man of vrouw die iets lelijks over zwarte mensen zegt, wat zou de wereld daar dan leuker van worden, zeg.

Ik had dat altijd met Alexander Pechtold als die alleen maar zijn mond open deed dan gingen mijn nekharen al overeind staan wat een vreselijk pedant kereltje vond ik dat maar ik betrapte mezelf er laatst op dat ik toen ik Rob Jetten weer eens zag tetteren ineens dacht was Pechtold er nog maar.

fashionvictim schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:21

Hahaha,ik dacht net precies hetzelfde! Ik weet het nog precies, jij en ik zaten tot diep in de nacht cijfers om zijn oren te slaan.

En ik bedacht van de week ook al dat het toch wel bijzonder is om te zien hoe de tijd toch zijn werk heeft gedaan. Er is weliswaar in hele kleine stapjes per keer, stiekem toch best wel veel vooruitgang geboekt. Veel kleine stapjes zijn ook een grote.

Of we worden wat ouder en wijzer

Maar inderdaad, de discussie is een stuk volwassener geworden in de tussentijd en ook veel diverser. Men is wat bewuster en dat was het enige waar ik destijds op hoopte. Vandaar dat ik me nu ook niet meer zo druk maak om bepaalde geluiden die toch niet veranderen, ook niet in de komende tien jaar.

kadanz schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:41

Of we worden wat ouder en wijzer

Maar inderdaad, de discussie is een stuk volwassener geworden in de tussentijd en ook veel diverser. Men is wat bewuster en dat was het enige waar ik destijds op hoopte. Vandaar dat ik me nu ook niet meer zo druk maak om bepaalde geluiden die toch niet veranderen, ook niet in de komende tien jaar.

Ja, daar heb je ook gelijk in, hoor. Ik heb van de week al een paar maal even verbaasd een wenkbrauw opgetrokken bij sommige nicknames hier die toch echt in de loop der jaren behoorlijk van mening veranderd zijn. Ten goede, hoor, het verheugde me. En inderdaad, dan moet je je er bij neerleggen dat sommigen nooit zullen veranderen.

Baloma schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:19

Ben benieuwd wat jullie van dit stuk vinden:

Black Lives Matter don’t care about black people. Want evidence? Name me a single time - just once - when they’ve protested against black people being killed by other black people? Whether in America or elsewhere?
Why is this relevant?
Because the biggest cause of death for black men aged 15-45 in USA is... other black men. Compare to white people, where it’s traffic accidents for the younger portion and heart attacks for those over 35.
Or how about the black lives in Sudan, East Timor, Libya?
Why do we only ever hear from BLM when it’s a white person killing a black person?

2. Speaking of which - imagine if white people started doing the reverse. Imagine every time a white person was killed by a black person, there’d be protests, riots, looting and
social media campaigns. First thing to notice is that it would be more frequent, because African Americans kill more white people in the US than white people kill African Americans. Now what?
Should we really start applying the race card every time there’s a murder involving more than one pigmentation? Where will it end?

3. Police killings. The video of the murder of George Floyd is so visceral, by showing the casual evil with which officer Derek Chauvin kills
George Floyd. People are rightly outraged, and no one can honestly defend the officer, who rightly has been arrested and hopefully will spend his remaining years behind bars (although the prosecutor has been idiotic in moving the case from 2nd degree to first degree murder -
a burden of proof they will most likely fail to provide).

But... The only reason people are up in arms about these is that the social media and MSM attention focuses disproportionately on these incidents when the victim is black and the officer isn't. Don't believe me?
Let me prove it:
You've all heard of Tamir Rice - a 12 year old black boy who was murdered when brandishing a toy gun. It was all over the news, there were riots and marches, hashtags and universal condemnation all over the media.
But how many of you have heard of Daniel Shaver?
A white man who was showing his friends a scoped air rife used to exterminate birds who entered his store, and was killed for this?

You may remember the case of Sam DuBose, a black man who was shot dead for driving his car away from from the police.
The exact same thing happened to before that to Andrew Thomas, a white man driving away from the police. None of you have heard of him.

Alton Sterling was a black man shot dead by the police when reaching into his pocket for his wallet - a travesty.
The same thing happened to a white guy named Dylan Noble. Sterling made national headlines, none of us heard a word about Noble. Loren Simpson was a white teenager who was shot dead by the police in eerily similar circumstances as George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin.
You've not heard of the former, but demanded justice for the latter. You've not heard of James Boyd, Alfred Redwine, Brandon Stanley or Mary Hawkes.

But you've heard of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile.
Because the only times police killings make the news is when the victim is black and the officer isn't.

Here are the FBI, NCJRS and BJS statistics:

For every 10, 000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed by the police.
For every 10, 000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed by the police.
In 2019, 49 unarmed people were killed by the police. 9 were black. 19 were white.
The likelihood for a black person being shot by the police is as high as being struck by lightning.
Yet, we are seeing riots, every single post on Instagram and Twitter is in support of Black Lives Matter and denunciation of police in America...

4. "Systemic Racism" / "Institutionalised racism".

Sound good, don't they? Such powerful words...
and completely inaccurate. First, let's see what the claims being made are:

Both insinuate built-in racism within various official institutions (police, law, governments etc).
Yet, when they are challenged, by asking the proponents to provide *evidence* for these, nothing is provided. Name one single law that is targeting exclusively black people. Just one. There isn't one.
If the police is "systematically" anti-black, explain how it is possible that 20% of the Police Force in America is black (African Americans in America constitute roughly 14% of the population, meaning that blacks are *overrepresented* within the police force!)?
Now, imagine how incredibly racist it is to say that the 100, 000 plus black police officers are too stupid to know that they are working inside and within a racist institution? That really is racism. And none of them have come out and said anything???
None of them have gone on 60 Minutes and said "We are being trained to be racists"? Seriously?

How about governments? Well, let's leave aside the fact that America just had a two-term black president (whose second name was Hussein, by the way).
Some of America's worst run cities have black mayors, black governors and majority black councils. Look at two of the worst cities in America to be black in:
Baltimore and Chicago. Why is it that a place where the people in power are black can be *worse* for the African American
Community, than cities that aren't run by black politicians? This is a knock-down argument.

5. Disparity.

People often look at the economic disparities between blacks and whites, and claim it to be evidence for institutionalised racism. It says something about the power of a
narrative, when it has been debunked decades ago - by BLACK ECONOMISTS (like The Great Thomas Sowell) - yet the myth persists.

First of all, at no point in human history has any two groups of people had the same level of wealth or income as each other.
It would be an absolute miracle to expect that people with different backgrounds, cultures, histories, values and ethics to have the same level of wealth.

This is even true within so called races - compare for example Black Americans (generational) vs Black Immigrants...
particularly the ones from West Indies (Jamaica, Barbados etc.).

You couldn't tell these people apart, just by looking at them, and whatever racism is in place for one group must by definition be applied for the second group.
But what they have is completely different values and work ethics (the Jamaicans arriving in the US does so commonly to achieve greater heights than what he or she can in their home country).
Whatever level of systemic racism exists, they are subjected to it as much as the African American.

Yet, already in the 1970's (!!!), when racism was far more prevalent than it is today, Black Americans from the West Indies were earning 58% more than the Black American whose
generations go back centuries in the United States. How could that be, if there's supposed to be such a thing as "systemic racism"?

Disparities are only proof of disparities. Just because Group X doesn't have the same as Group Y, doesn't mean that it's explained by racism.
And why does this so called "White Supremacy" only run against one group of Black Americans? Why doesn't it run against Asian Americans, who out earn White Americans by over 60%? Why doesn't it apply to Jewish Americans? Or Indian Americans, all of whom earn more than...
White Americans??

Maybe there's something else going on...?

In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan published his report "The Negro Family: The Case For National Action", where he saw that African American households were 25% single mothers - a frightening statistic that would have
devastating consequences. Since then, Jim Crow laws and Red Lining have all been removed from the books, Martin Luther King Jr. and The Civil Rights Movement made tremendous strides and we've now even had a black two-term president.

But, today, black households with no paternal
figure, and only a single mother constitute SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT of all black households in America!!! SEVENTY FIVE!!!!

Now you tell me, which is the better explanation for young black children ending up in a life of crime - the lack of a father figure, or the mythical,
non-explainable entity known only as "institutional racism", which for some reasons doesn't apply to Nigerian immigrants, to black immigrants from West Indies, to Indian people, to Jewish people, to Asian Americans...?

6. Criminality.
"Why are blacks being disproportionately imprisoned? There's a racist Prison Industry Complex!"

The key word here is "disproportionately". Because it most certainly is true that African Americans make out the majority of prisoners in America, but what is the evidence that
this is disproportionate? It's non-existent.

Let's look at the stats:

Black Americans constitute roughly 14% of the population in America, yet they commit 50% of all the murders. But, this is misleading - because it's not the elderly, nor the children nor the women who commit
the murders. It's almost exclusively the young men (15-40). That constitutes about a fourth of the black population, which means that about 3.5% of the American population are responsible for 50% of all the murders!

Read this again: 3.5% of Americans are responsible for 50% of
all murders.

You will find similar astonishing figures for drug related crimes, armed robberies, breaking and entering and gang violence.

So, even though it is true that black people make up the majority of the prison population, the incarceration rates are only proportionate
against the crime rate, not the population.

7. History of slavery, Jim Crow and Red Lining

"Well, that maybe so, but it's because of the history of slavery and Jim Crow!"

I don't doubt the good intentions of those making these arguments, but they don't actually see how it is
a classic case of Racism of lower expectations.

No one has been able to provide a logical link between historical racism and the plight of people today.

First of all, what's unique about racism in America (and Britain, for that matter) is that these countries abolished slavery
when they did! They were among the first countries in the world to do so, and America even fought a bloody civil war to implement the 13th Amendment. Almost every country in the world practiced slavery, and there are many - particularly in Subsaharan Africa - who still do to this
day.

And it most certainly is true that racism didn't end with slavery, and evil practices such as Jim Crow, segregation and Red Lining were practiced until the 70's. But - and here is the most astonishing fact of all - African American's had *more* wealth and less unemployment
during those times than today, when such practices have been abolished and are rightly considered moral evils.

Now, before anyone makes the nonsensical claim that "You're saying we should oppress them then, because they had it better!?", let me explain that correlation does not
mean causation. But just as facts don't care about feelings, reality won't comply with narrative.

8. "America is a White Supremacist society!"

This is one of the most egregious claims out there. First of all, compared to what? Show me a country where blacks are a minority, but
still get to be elected presidents, have more than 50 Mayors, congressmen and women, run city councils and have had multiple presidential candidates. Show me one.

America (and Britain) are two of the least racist societies on earth and in history. For god's sake, look at the
response from the murder of George Floyd! Just look at the outpouring of support for black people, the universal condemnation of racism from exactly all corners of the political spectrum, the complete solidarity from every white person with a social media account.
9. "Black Lives Matter"

This is a big one. Because I don't know of many organisations who care less about black lives than Black Lives Matter. 93% of all killings of black people are done by other blacks - BLM are completely silent on this.
BLM has never - not a single time - had a march or campaign black people being killed en massé in places like Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia or Libya.

Instead, what they have done is to have chants like "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" (about the police), which inspired a
lunatic in Dallas to murder 3 police officers.

During the current riots, a 77 year old, black former Police Captain - David Dorn - was murdered by rioters. BLM has not said a word.

BLM reject Martin Luther King Jr.'s sentiment that people should
"...be judged based on the content of their character, not the colour of their skin". If you've actually listened to the "I have a dream" speech, that line is the one which got the loudest cheers and applauses.
BLM believe people who aspire to apply this principle of colour blindness are racists.

Conclusion:

I can go on and on. I've provided my sources below, and I can point to the works of economists and criminologists and historians for further data.
But I don't it will matter - the narrative is too strong, and people are too emotionally invested. Facts don't stand a chance.

People are so keen to use the tragic murder of George Floyd to wave their anti-racism badges and flags. It makes them feel good.
Black friends of mine, who are incredibly successful in their fields, are talking about how they've been victims all their lives, even though they are some of the luckiest people who have ever lived, regardless of race.

All I ask of you, if you're reading this
(and I doubt many will, certainly not to the end) is to ask yourself "What if what Amir is saying is true?"

That's all I can hope for.

tantejans schreef: ↑

06-06-2020 21:45

Mag ik vragen waarom je hier zo ongelooflijk blij van wordt dat je gaat zitten aanbidden?

Dat is een serieuze vraag.