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maandag 16 augustus 2010 om 18:26
Islamic Relief
A £2 million global appeal has been launched by Islamic Relief in order to provide urgent assistance to survivors who are struggling to find clean water, food, shelter and healthcare.
(...)
Islamic Relief has been assisting vulnerable people in Pakistan since 1992. After a deadly earthquake hit the region in 2005, Islamic Relief helped raise more than £35 million in aid for survivors.
Op de Nederlandse Website vond ik dit:
Islamic Relief's laatste actie
Zes vrachtwagens zijn inmiddels aangekomen in Balochistan. Zij bevatten basisbenodigdheden om te kunnen overleven. Het gaat hierbij om 850 hygiënekits, 850 huishoudelijke kits en 850 keuken sets voor ongeveer 5.950 mensen.
Verder zijn onze medewerkers bezig met:
- het verspreiden van nood items in Nowshera, Mardan en Charsadda districten in de Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa provincie en in de Balochistan provincie.
- het helpen van de evacuatie van gezinnen uit overstroomde steden en dorpen
- het verspreiden van een eerste 500 tenten aan gezinnen in Nowshera en Mardan.
- het verspreiden van 3.570 familie hygiënekits in Nowshera, Mardan, Charsadda en Sibi die 24.990 mensen ten goede zal komen.
- het verspreiden van 2.850 huishoudens kits (met matrassen, klamboes enz.) voor ongeveer 19.950 mensen.
- het verspreiden van 2.850 keuken sets (met pannen, gereedschap enz.) voor ongeveer 19.950 mensen.
- de inkoop van 850 tijdelijke onderkomens voor 850 families, dit zal ongeveer 5950 mensen ten goede komen.
- de inkoop van 4.000 familie voedsel pakketten voor distributie.
- de bouw van latrines in een kamp in Nowshera, met behulp van glasvezel platen.
Islamic Relief werkt sinds 1991 in Pakistan en heeft een sleutelrol gespeeld in het helpen van mensen ten tijden van noodsituaties. Na de aardbeving in 2005 in deze regio heeft Islamic Relief ongeveer 42 miljoen euro kunnen verzamelen voor de slachtoffers.
Muslim Aid
Muslim Aid has so far managed to raise £650,000 through its £2 million emergency appeal and has already distributed tents, clean water, jerry cans, food packs to families in the main affected districts of Charsadda, Mianwali and Nowshera.
Muslim Hands heeft ook een campagne maar ik weet niet hoeveel ze al ingezameld hebben.
Wat de particuliere hulp is vanuit islamitische landen weet ik niet want ik lees geen arabisch / perzisch /enzovoort.
Ik vond trouwens ook dit nog:
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) – When torrential monsoon rains flooded Pakistan, sparking a massive humanitarian crisis, hardline Islamic charities moved fast. Faster than the government.
Banned in Pakistan and on a UN terror list, Jamaat-ud-Dawa is one of a number of Islamic organisations highly visible in the battle to help provide relief to millions of flood survivors.
Filling a void created by the perceived failure of the civilian government to mobilise, fears are growing in the United States that such charities are using soft power to propagate extremism in the nuclear-armed state.
Pakistan's Taliban have now urged the government to reject American aid in favour of 20 million dollars of Taliban aid -- without any indication that the militia can or will pay -- the battle for hearts and minds has been drawn.
"We are providing food, clothes, medicines, tents, utensils, 5,000 rupees (60 dollars) cash to each family," said Atique Chohan, spokesman for JuD in the northwestern province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, where Taliban have been active.
"So far we have helped 250,000 people," he told AFP at a camp run by JuD's newly set up welfare organisation Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation in the district of Nowshehra, where dozens of bearded volunteers dished out food.
A truck drove up loaded with food, clothes, medicine and toys for victims, none of whom care that JuD chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed is considered a terrorist in India and by the United Nations.
He founded Laskhar-e-Taiba, the Kashmiri militant group outlawed in Pakistan and blamed for the 2008 Mumbai attacks that left 166 people dead.
Vitriol has been reserved for President Asif Ali Zardari, who returned home only this week from London, and the government -- whose cash-strapped departments have been accused of infighting.
"Local religious organisations like JuD help more," said a 25-year-old taxi driver Ghulam Haider whose home was swept away in Nowshehra.
Villages along the motorway from Peshawar to Islamabad are inundated and women are seen wading through knee-high water.
"The government gave us tents and nothing else. All goods here have been supplied by affluent and ordinary citizens. We're getting help from private organisations," said Jahanas Khan, 50, who was uprooted from Jangi village.
The United States has increased its flood aid to 55 million dollars and the United Nations is to launch an international appeal for several hundred million dollars, saying that six million people are now dependent on help to survive.
Anthony Cordesman, who has advised the Obama administration on Afghanistan and Pakistan, said the floods represent "a major opportunity" for Islamist groups to win further influence among people denied government services.
"If it continues, it makes Pakistan more and more vulnerable to extremism," Cordesman, a leading security expert from the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told AFP.
"If we have to deal with a radicalised Pakistan, that raises the threat that is posed by terrorism by several orders of magnitude."
Concerned about extremism, Washington is trying to engage more fully with Pakistan, which President Barack Obama has put on the frontline of the war against Al-Qaeda and considers crucial to ending the conflict in Afghanistan.
Aid from the United States and international relief agencies can have a tremendous impact, said Cordesman, but can also go unnoticed by people on the ground, who have no idea where it came from.
Pakistani analyst Talat Masood said the situation exposed the problems facing the government, trapped between extremists and the military, which has ruled Pakistan for more than half its existence.
"It shows the government is not up to the mark. It is unable to meet the challenge... It is a strange situation. Dominance of the military or dominance of militancy."
But in a recent conference call with journalists, Anne Patterson, the US ambassador to Islamabad, minimised the influence extremist groups had in providing aid.
"They're totally, in my view, overcome by the enormous number of local and highly reputable NGOs and the international NGOs who've already mobilised for this crisis."
Back at the JuD camp in Peshawar, civil servant Aurangzeb Khan, 43, dropped money into a transparent glass donation box, half full with banknotes.
"I would have given it to the government had it done a good job," he said.
Mijn angst is dezelfde als die van de Amerikaanse regering.
A £2 million global appeal has been launched by Islamic Relief in order to provide urgent assistance to survivors who are struggling to find clean water, food, shelter and healthcare.
(...)
Islamic Relief has been assisting vulnerable people in Pakistan since 1992. After a deadly earthquake hit the region in 2005, Islamic Relief helped raise more than £35 million in aid for survivors.
Op de Nederlandse Website vond ik dit:
Islamic Relief's laatste actie
Zes vrachtwagens zijn inmiddels aangekomen in Balochistan. Zij bevatten basisbenodigdheden om te kunnen overleven. Het gaat hierbij om 850 hygiënekits, 850 huishoudelijke kits en 850 keuken sets voor ongeveer 5.950 mensen.
Verder zijn onze medewerkers bezig met:
- het verspreiden van nood items in Nowshera, Mardan en Charsadda districten in de Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa provincie en in de Balochistan provincie.
- het helpen van de evacuatie van gezinnen uit overstroomde steden en dorpen
- het verspreiden van een eerste 500 tenten aan gezinnen in Nowshera en Mardan.
- het verspreiden van 3.570 familie hygiënekits in Nowshera, Mardan, Charsadda en Sibi die 24.990 mensen ten goede zal komen.
- het verspreiden van 2.850 huishoudens kits (met matrassen, klamboes enz.) voor ongeveer 19.950 mensen.
- het verspreiden van 2.850 keuken sets (met pannen, gereedschap enz.) voor ongeveer 19.950 mensen.
- de inkoop van 850 tijdelijke onderkomens voor 850 families, dit zal ongeveer 5950 mensen ten goede komen.
- de inkoop van 4.000 familie voedsel pakketten voor distributie.
- de bouw van latrines in een kamp in Nowshera, met behulp van glasvezel platen.
Islamic Relief werkt sinds 1991 in Pakistan en heeft een sleutelrol gespeeld in het helpen van mensen ten tijden van noodsituaties. Na de aardbeving in 2005 in deze regio heeft Islamic Relief ongeveer 42 miljoen euro kunnen verzamelen voor de slachtoffers.
Muslim Aid
Muslim Aid has so far managed to raise £650,000 through its £2 million emergency appeal and has already distributed tents, clean water, jerry cans, food packs to families in the main affected districts of Charsadda, Mianwali and Nowshera.
Muslim Hands heeft ook een campagne maar ik weet niet hoeveel ze al ingezameld hebben.
Wat de particuliere hulp is vanuit islamitische landen weet ik niet want ik lees geen arabisch / perzisch /enzovoort.
Ik vond trouwens ook dit nog:
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) – When torrential monsoon rains flooded Pakistan, sparking a massive humanitarian crisis, hardline Islamic charities moved fast. Faster than the government.
Banned in Pakistan and on a UN terror list, Jamaat-ud-Dawa is one of a number of Islamic organisations highly visible in the battle to help provide relief to millions of flood survivors.
Filling a void created by the perceived failure of the civilian government to mobilise, fears are growing in the United States that such charities are using soft power to propagate extremism in the nuclear-armed state.
Pakistan's Taliban have now urged the government to reject American aid in favour of 20 million dollars of Taliban aid -- without any indication that the militia can or will pay -- the battle for hearts and minds has been drawn.
"We are providing food, clothes, medicines, tents, utensils, 5,000 rupees (60 dollars) cash to each family," said Atique Chohan, spokesman for JuD in the northwestern province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, where Taliban have been active.
"So far we have helped 250,000 people," he told AFP at a camp run by JuD's newly set up welfare organisation Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation in the district of Nowshehra, where dozens of bearded volunteers dished out food.
A truck drove up loaded with food, clothes, medicine and toys for victims, none of whom care that JuD chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed is considered a terrorist in India and by the United Nations.
He founded Laskhar-e-Taiba, the Kashmiri militant group outlawed in Pakistan and blamed for the 2008 Mumbai attacks that left 166 people dead.
Vitriol has been reserved for President Asif Ali Zardari, who returned home only this week from London, and the government -- whose cash-strapped departments have been accused of infighting.
"Local religious organisations like JuD help more," said a 25-year-old taxi driver Ghulam Haider whose home was swept away in Nowshehra.
Villages along the motorway from Peshawar to Islamabad are inundated and women are seen wading through knee-high water.
"The government gave us tents and nothing else. All goods here have been supplied by affluent and ordinary citizens. We're getting help from private organisations," said Jahanas Khan, 50, who was uprooted from Jangi village.
The United States has increased its flood aid to 55 million dollars and the United Nations is to launch an international appeal for several hundred million dollars, saying that six million people are now dependent on help to survive.
Anthony Cordesman, who has advised the Obama administration on Afghanistan and Pakistan, said the floods represent "a major opportunity" for Islamist groups to win further influence among people denied government services.
"If it continues, it makes Pakistan more and more vulnerable to extremism," Cordesman, a leading security expert from the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told AFP.
"If we have to deal with a radicalised Pakistan, that raises the threat that is posed by terrorism by several orders of magnitude."
Concerned about extremism, Washington is trying to engage more fully with Pakistan, which President Barack Obama has put on the frontline of the war against Al-Qaeda and considers crucial to ending the conflict in Afghanistan.
Aid from the United States and international relief agencies can have a tremendous impact, said Cordesman, but can also go unnoticed by people on the ground, who have no idea where it came from.
Pakistani analyst Talat Masood said the situation exposed the problems facing the government, trapped between extremists and the military, which has ruled Pakistan for more than half its existence.
"It shows the government is not up to the mark. It is unable to meet the challenge... It is a strange situation. Dominance of the military or dominance of militancy."
But in a recent conference call with journalists, Anne Patterson, the US ambassador to Islamabad, minimised the influence extremist groups had in providing aid.
"They're totally, in my view, overcome by the enormous number of local and highly reputable NGOs and the international NGOs who've already mobilised for this crisis."
Back at the JuD camp in Peshawar, civil servant Aurangzeb Khan, 43, dropped money into a transparent glass donation box, half full with banknotes.
"I would have given it to the government had it done a good job," he said.
Mijn angst is dezelfde als die van de Amerikaanse regering.
maandag 16 augustus 2010 om 23:05
Gewoon een naar verschijnsel, religie. Voor een gevoel van saamhorigheid kun je ook bij een punnikclub gaan. Om je angsten en onzekerheden in het leven te controleren zijn er betere oplossingen dan lezen in een vele malen herzien boek dat door simpele zielen ooit is opgetekend: volg bijvoorbeeld een assertiviteitstraining of probeer eens buiten het veilige, vertrouwde denkpatroon een kijkje te nemen. Geloven in goden heeft geen enkel nut, omdat ze simpelweg niet bestaan. Wie anders beweert is misleid of heeft kwade bedoelingen.
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 04:58
Ik zeg maar zo , niet geloven is ook geloven.
Want je gelooft in het feit dat je niet gelooft in een God,Jehova,Allah, of hoe het beestje ook genoemd wordt.
Dus leven en laten leven met iedereen op zijn eigen manier.
Maar ga je in een ander land wonen zul je je wel moeten aanpassen
want ga je van hier naar een ander land moet je dat ook.
Het leren spreken van de taal enz.
Respect en iedereen zijn eigen normen en waarde in het leven laten hebben.
De meeste oorlogen zijn juist doordat iedereen elkaar wil "bekeren" en zijn geloof het enige 'ware'is.
En dan bedoel ik ook ECHT allen.
Soms vind ik het zelfs kinderachtig zo van "als jij het niet eens bent met mijn geloof dan zal er wraak genomem worden, nha nha nha nha"
Kijk maar in de geschiedenis boeken wat daar in staat dat is een eye opener als je het goed leest.
groetjes trikky
Want je gelooft in het feit dat je niet gelooft in een God,Jehova,Allah, of hoe het beestje ook genoemd wordt.
Dus leven en laten leven met iedereen op zijn eigen manier.
Maar ga je in een ander land wonen zul je je wel moeten aanpassen
want ga je van hier naar een ander land moet je dat ook.
Het leren spreken van de taal enz.
Respect en iedereen zijn eigen normen en waarde in het leven laten hebben.
De meeste oorlogen zijn juist doordat iedereen elkaar wil "bekeren" en zijn geloof het enige 'ware'is.
En dan bedoel ik ook ECHT allen.
Soms vind ik het zelfs kinderachtig zo van "als jij het niet eens bent met mijn geloof dan zal er wraak genomem worden, nha nha nha nha"
Kijk maar in de geschiedenis boeken wat daar in staat dat is een eye opener als je het goed leest.
groetjes trikky
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 06:05
quote:complicated schreef op 16 augustus 2010 @ 23:05:
Geloven in goden heeft geen enkel nut, omdat ze simpelweg niet bestaan. Wie anders beweert is misleid of heeft kwade bedoelingen.Oh, zelfs als ze niet bestaan is het natuurlijk een fluitje van een cent te beargumenteren dat het wel zeker nut heeft te geloven (voor de mensen die geloven dus). Ik weet niet hoe jij "nut" definieert, maar behalve wanneer je het strikt economisch zou definiëren heeft het waarschijnlijk voor veel gelovigen wel nut te geloven, anders zouden ze wel niet meer geloven hè?
Geloven in goden heeft geen enkel nut, omdat ze simpelweg niet bestaan. Wie anders beweert is misleid of heeft kwade bedoelingen.Oh, zelfs als ze niet bestaan is het natuurlijk een fluitje van een cent te beargumenteren dat het wel zeker nut heeft te geloven (voor de mensen die geloven dus). Ik weet niet hoe jij "nut" definieert, maar behalve wanneer je het strikt economisch zou definiëren heeft het waarschijnlijk voor veel gelovigen wel nut te geloven, anders zouden ze wel niet meer geloven hè?
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 07:02
Discussie over het feit dat de moderne westerse Islam kenner Mohammed als een warlord ziet (naar huidige maatstaven natuurlijk) :
Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great reward.'"
Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"
Muslim:C34B20N4668 "The Messenger said: 'Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights."
Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them - these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims who fight."
Muslim:C9B1N31 "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought."
Bukhari:V9B84N59 "Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.'"
Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."
Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."
Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
Qur'an:47:31 "And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters."
Tabari VI:138 "Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting."
Tabari VI:139 "Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse 'And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.'"
Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."
Ishaq:550 "The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling."
Qur'an:5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."
Ishaq:578 "Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet's fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory."
Tabari IX:22 "The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly."
Tabari IX:25 "By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant."
Tabari IX:82 "The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them."
Tabari IX:88 "Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah's Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger's command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them."
Ishaq:530 "Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends."
Muslim:C9B1N29 "Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: 'I will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.' Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat."
Muslim:C9B1N33 "The Prophet said: 'I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'"
Muslim:C10B1N176 "Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: 'There is no god but Allah,' but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: 'Did he profess "There is no god but Allah," and even then you killed him?' I said: 'He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.' The Prophet said: 'Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?'"
Muslim:C20B1N4597 "The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: 'There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.'"
Muslim:C28B20N4628 "Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty."
Muslim:C28B20N4629 "The Messenger said: 'One who is wounded in the Way of Allah - and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way - will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.'"
Muslim:C34B20N4652-3 "The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: 'Who is the best of men?' He replied: 'A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah's Cause.'"
Muslim:C42B20N4684 "A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: 'Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?' The Messenger of Allah said: 'Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.'"
Muslim:C53B20N4717 "The Prophet said: 'This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N288 "I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, 'We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.' I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him."
Bukhari:V5B59N290 "The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward."
Qur'an:2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
Qur'an:2:217 "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy."
Qur'an:2:244 "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all."
Qur'an:2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"
Ishaq:280 "The Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah's command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight."
Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
Bukhari:V4B52N61 "Allah's Apostle! We were absent from the first battle you fought against the pagans. If Allah gives us a chance to do battle, no doubt, He will see how bravely we fight."
Ishaq:398 "Ask them for their help. Thereby make the religion of Islam agreeable to them. And when you are resolved in the matter of religion concerning fighting your enemy you will have the advantage."
Qur'an:3:146 "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]."
Ishaq:393 "How many prophets has death in battle befallen and how many multitudes with him? They did not show weakness toward their enemies and were not humiliated when they suffered in the fight for Allah and their religion. That is steadfastness. Allah loves the steadfast."
Qur'an:3:153 "Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you."
Qur'an:3:154 "Say: 'Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain."
Ishaq:440 "Helped by the Holy Spirit we smited Muhammad's foes. The Apostle sent a message to them with a sharp cutting sword."
Ishaq:470 "We attacked them fully armed, swords in hand, cutting through heads and skulls."
Qur'an:61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause."
Qur'an:61:11 "Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah's Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!" Qur'an 61:12 "He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Eden: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another (favor) which you love: help from Allah for a speedy victory over your enemies."
Qur'an:8:5 "Your Lord ordered you out of your homes to fight for the true cause, even though some Muslims disliked it, and were averse (to fighting)."
Qur'an:24:53 "They swear their strongest oaths saying that if only you would command them. They would leave their homes (and go forth fighting in Allah's Cause). Say: 'Swear not; Obedience is (more) reasonable.'"
Qur'an:4:74 "Let those who fight in Allah's Cause sell this world's life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah's Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward."
Qur'an:4:75 "What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah's Cause?" [Another translation says:] "What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?"
Qur'an:4:76 "Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah."
Qur'an:4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"
Qur'an:4:78 "Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?"
Qur'an:4:84 "Then fight (Muhammad) in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you."
Qur'an:4:94 "Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah's Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: 'You are not a believer!' Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty."
Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward."
Qur'an:4:100 "He who leaves his home in Allah's Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy."
Qur'an:4:102 "When you (Prophet) lead them in prayer, let some stand with you, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostrations, let them take positions in the rear. And let others who have not yet prayed come - taking all precaution, and bearing arms. The Infidels wish, if you were negligent of your arms, to assault you in a rush. But there is no blame on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill; but take precaution. For the Unbelieving Infidels Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment."
Qur'an:4:104 "And do not relent in pursuing the enemy."
Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great reward.'"
Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"
Muslim:C34B20N4668 "The Messenger said: 'Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights."
Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them - these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims who fight."
Muslim:C9B1N31 "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought."
Bukhari:V9B84N59 "Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.'"
Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."
Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."
Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
Qur'an:47:31 "And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters."
Tabari VI:138 "Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting."
Tabari VI:139 "Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse 'And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.'"
Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."
Ishaq:550 "The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling."
Qur'an:5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."
Ishaq:578 "Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet's fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory."
Tabari IX:22 "The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly."
Tabari IX:25 "By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant."
Tabari IX:82 "The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them."
Tabari IX:88 "Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah's Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger's command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them."
Ishaq:530 "Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends."
Muslim:C9B1N29 "Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: 'I will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.' Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat."
Muslim:C9B1N33 "The Prophet said: 'I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'"
Muslim:C10B1N176 "Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: 'There is no god but Allah,' but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: 'Did he profess "There is no god but Allah," and even then you killed him?' I said: 'He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.' The Prophet said: 'Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?'"
Muslim:C20B1N4597 "The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: 'There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.'"
Muslim:C28B20N4628 "Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty."
Muslim:C28B20N4629 "The Messenger said: 'One who is wounded in the Way of Allah - and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way - will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.'"
Muslim:C34B20N4652-3 "The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: 'Who is the best of men?' He replied: 'A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah's Cause.'"
Muslim:C42B20N4684 "A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: 'Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?' The Messenger of Allah said: 'Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.'"
Muslim:C53B20N4717 "The Prophet said: 'This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N288 "I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, 'We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.' I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him."
Bukhari:V5B59N290 "The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward."
Qur'an:2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
Qur'an:2:217 "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy."
Qur'an:2:244 "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all."
Qur'an:2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"
Ishaq:280 "The Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah's command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight."
Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
Bukhari:V4B52N61 "Allah's Apostle! We were absent from the first battle you fought against the pagans. If Allah gives us a chance to do battle, no doubt, He will see how bravely we fight."
Ishaq:398 "Ask them for their help. Thereby make the religion of Islam agreeable to them. And when you are resolved in the matter of religion concerning fighting your enemy you will have the advantage."
Qur'an:3:146 "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]."
Ishaq:393 "How many prophets has death in battle befallen and how many multitudes with him? They did not show weakness toward their enemies and were not humiliated when they suffered in the fight for Allah and their religion. That is steadfastness. Allah loves the steadfast."
Qur'an:3:153 "Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you."
Qur'an:3:154 "Say: 'Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain."
Ishaq:440 "Helped by the Holy Spirit we smited Muhammad's foes. The Apostle sent a message to them with a sharp cutting sword."
Ishaq:470 "We attacked them fully armed, swords in hand, cutting through heads and skulls."
Qur'an:61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause."
Qur'an:61:11 "Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah's Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!" Qur'an 61:12 "He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Eden: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another (favor) which you love: help from Allah for a speedy victory over your enemies."
Qur'an:8:5 "Your Lord ordered you out of your homes to fight for the true cause, even though some Muslims disliked it, and were averse (to fighting)."
Qur'an:24:53 "They swear their strongest oaths saying that if only you would command them. They would leave their homes (and go forth fighting in Allah's Cause). Say: 'Swear not; Obedience is (more) reasonable.'"
Qur'an:4:74 "Let those who fight in Allah's Cause sell this world's life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah's Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward."
Qur'an:4:75 "What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah's Cause?" [Another translation says:] "What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?"
Qur'an:4:76 "Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah."
Qur'an:4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"
Qur'an:4:78 "Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?"
Qur'an:4:84 "Then fight (Muhammad) in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you."
Qur'an:4:94 "Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah's Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: 'You are not a believer!' Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty."
Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward."
Qur'an:4:100 "He who leaves his home in Allah's Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy."
Qur'an:4:102 "When you (Prophet) lead them in prayer, let some stand with you, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostrations, let them take positions in the rear. And let others who have not yet prayed come - taking all precaution, and bearing arms. The Infidels wish, if you were negligent of your arms, to assault you in a rush. But there is no blame on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill; but take precaution. For the Unbelieving Infidels Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment."
Qur'an:4:104 "And do not relent in pursuing the enemy."
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 10:51
quote:tyche schreef op 16 augustus 2010 @ 14:21:
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Ben pas hier met lezen maar moet even zeggen: dat is er dus al! Dat was toch meer een cultuur dan een relegie? Toch meer een movement. Eentje waarin ik vrolijk meeging trouwens, ik heb hier nog allemaal LOTR spullen staan, lees de boeken regelmatig en kijk de films best vaak.
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Ben pas hier met lezen maar moet even zeggen: dat is er dus al! Dat was toch meer een cultuur dan een relegie? Toch meer een movement. Eentje waarin ik vrolijk meeging trouwens, ik heb hier nog allemaal LOTR spullen staan, lees de boeken regelmatig en kijk de films best vaak.
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 13:20
quote:Dibah schreef op 16 augustus 2010 @ 11:02:
Religie we zij er mee opgegroeid, maar hopelijk niet mee vergroeid. Want ook atheïsten hebben recht op eigen mening. Geloof, is zekerheid geven aan iets wat niet bewezen kan worden. Het wordt tijd dat we kritiek mogen geven op elke religie, geloof of ideologie. De uitwassen moeten indien hinderlijk, benoemd kunnen worden. Wanneer religie / geloof / ideologie tegen het algemeen belang indruist, moet men daar over kunnen discussiëren. Kledingvoorschriften gerelateerd aan enige religie kan bij Openbare, Gemeentelijke of Overheidsdiensten onwenselijk zijn. Kerk en politiek gescheiden blijven, zodat iedereen zich vrij kan voelen.
Dibah
We hebben gewoon het ene taboe verlegd naar het andere.
Religie we zij er mee opgegroeid, maar hopelijk niet mee vergroeid. Want ook atheïsten hebben recht op eigen mening. Geloof, is zekerheid geven aan iets wat niet bewezen kan worden. Het wordt tijd dat we kritiek mogen geven op elke religie, geloof of ideologie. De uitwassen moeten indien hinderlijk, benoemd kunnen worden. Wanneer religie / geloof / ideologie tegen het algemeen belang indruist, moet men daar over kunnen discussiëren. Kledingvoorschriften gerelateerd aan enige religie kan bij Openbare, Gemeentelijke of Overheidsdiensten onwenselijk zijn. Kerk en politiek gescheiden blijven, zodat iedereen zich vrij kan voelen.
Dibah
We hebben gewoon het ene taboe verlegd naar het andere.
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 13:53
Ik zie vooral veel gelovigen die vanalles eisen uit naam van hun religie, en dan bedoel ik eisen in de zin van dat anderen geacht worden zich ook aan hun regels te houden of ze in elk geval helpt mogelijk maken en vooral respecteren.
Wanneer iemand ervoor kiest hun eisen niet in te willigen, en dat kenbaar maakt wordt er moord en brand geschreeuwd over fobische mensen, behandeling als 2e rangs burgers, nouja, the works.
En dan heb ik het met name over de islam. Zelfs hier op het forum zijn vinden mensen zich zo "belangrijk in hun beledigd-zijn" dat ze dat nog over iemand anders' leed heen moeten gieten.
Wanneer iemand ervoor kiest hun eisen niet in te willigen, en dat kenbaar maakt wordt er moord en brand geschreeuwd over fobische mensen, behandeling als 2e rangs burgers, nouja, the works.
En dan heb ik het met name over de islam. Zelfs hier op het forum zijn vinden mensen zich zo "belangrijk in hun beledigd-zijn" dat ze dat nog over iemand anders' leed heen moeten gieten.
Perhaps it is better to be irresponsible and right, than to be responsible and wrong. Winston Churchill
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 15:12
quote:tyche schreef op 17 augustus 2010 @ 12:45:
Er is een kleine religieuze beweging die de religie uit de lotr-boeken in het echt praktiseert, voor zover dat kan.
Er wordt momenteel promotie-onderzoek naar gedaan, zie hier. Het vreemde is dat Tolkien zelf een zeer gelovig en praktiserend Rooms-Katholiek was. Ik weet dus wel zeker dat een echte religie creëren niet echt in de lijn is van zijn denken.
Er is een kleine religieuze beweging die de religie uit de lotr-boeken in het echt praktiseert, voor zover dat kan.
Er wordt momenteel promotie-onderzoek naar gedaan, zie hier. Het vreemde is dat Tolkien zelf een zeer gelovig en praktiserend Rooms-Katholiek was. Ik weet dus wel zeker dat een echte religie creëren niet echt in de lijn is van zijn denken.
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 15:19
quote:marnie schreef op 17 augustus 2010 @ 13:53:
En dan heb ik het met name over de islam. Zelfs hier op het forum zijn vinden mensen zich zo "belangrijk in hun beledigd-zijn" dat ze dat nog over iemand anders' leed heen moeten gieten.Dat zie ik dus echt nergens op het forum. Tenzij je bedoelde dat iemand voor kankerkutwijf uitgemaakt werd en diegene dat niet pikte, maar dan kan ik je vast vertellen dat ik als niet-moslim dat ook niet over mijn kant zou laten gaan.
En dan heb ik het met name over de islam. Zelfs hier op het forum zijn vinden mensen zich zo "belangrijk in hun beledigd-zijn" dat ze dat nog over iemand anders' leed heen moeten gieten.Dat zie ik dus echt nergens op het forum. Tenzij je bedoelde dat iemand voor kankerkutwijf uitgemaakt werd en diegene dat niet pikte, maar dan kan ik je vast vertellen dat ik als niet-moslim dat ook niet over mijn kant zou laten gaan.
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 15:27
quote:Margaretha2 schreef op 17 augustus 2010 @ 15:23:
Wat ik bedoel is dat ik behoorlijk schrok toen ik dat las en het heel grof vond, dat er later een verklaring voor is, okee, maar op dat moment vind ik het niet vreemd dat er op zoiets beledigd gereageerd wordt.Dat was niet het woord dat gebruikt werd, en ja, ik zou dat in dat geval wel over mijn kant laten gaan. Daarbij had ik ook het over het nog beledigd zijn achteraf, in het mod topic. En iedereen met iets van empathie had kunnen zien dat er meer aan de hand was trouwens.
Wat ik bedoel is dat ik behoorlijk schrok toen ik dat las en het heel grof vond, dat er later een verklaring voor is, okee, maar op dat moment vind ik het niet vreemd dat er op zoiets beledigd gereageerd wordt.Dat was niet het woord dat gebruikt werd, en ja, ik zou dat in dat geval wel over mijn kant laten gaan. Daarbij had ik ook het over het nog beledigd zijn achteraf, in het mod topic. En iedereen met iets van empathie had kunnen zien dat er meer aan de hand was trouwens.
Perhaps it is better to be irresponsible and right, than to be responsible and wrong. Winston Churchill
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 15:31
quote:Liv schreef op 17 augustus 2010 @ 15:25:
En eerlijk gezegd vind ik het niet kunnen om dat topic te misbruiken om hier je punt te maken, Marnie.Wat jij en ik zien als "niet kunnen" en "misbruiken om een punt te maken" ligt nogal uit elkaar. Kan gebeuren.
En eerlijk gezegd vind ik het niet kunnen om dat topic te misbruiken om hier je punt te maken, Marnie.Wat jij en ik zien als "niet kunnen" en "misbruiken om een punt te maken" ligt nogal uit elkaar. Kan gebeuren.
Perhaps it is better to be irresponsible and right, than to be responsible and wrong. Winston Churchill
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 17:13
Dat heb ik niet gezien (in het mod topic er achteraf nog over klagen). Als iemand zoiets tegen mij zegt denk ik dat ik direct een melding maak, als later blijkt dat diegene diep in de shit zit vind ik het prima dat daar rekening mee gehouden wordt (bv. door geen ban uit te delen).
Ik heb zelf vrij weinig empathisch vermogen vrees ik, want ik had dat pas heel laat door (toen het ronduit gezegd werd). Het topic ging best hard en ik heb sommige pagina's compleet gemist of met een half oog gelezen, dat doe ik wel vaker en als ik dan iets tegenkom waar ik op wil reageren doe ik dat gewoon. Dat anderen dat ook doen vind ik dus vrij logisch. Er werd (in dit geval) een generaliserende opmerking over moslims gemaakt (en jij weet net zo goed als ik dat dat heus niet opeens onverwacht is hier op het forum of out of character voor die forummer), een ander reageert daar fel op (min of meer, eigenlijk met een cynische opmerking), die ander krijgt een belediging naar haar hoofd en is daar pissig over. In diezelfde tien minuten blijkt ook dat er véél meer aan de hand is, ik heb toen eerlijk gezegd niemand meer door zien gaan.
Ik heb zelf vrij weinig empathisch vermogen vrees ik, want ik had dat pas heel laat door (toen het ronduit gezegd werd). Het topic ging best hard en ik heb sommige pagina's compleet gemist of met een half oog gelezen, dat doe ik wel vaker en als ik dan iets tegenkom waar ik op wil reageren doe ik dat gewoon. Dat anderen dat ook doen vind ik dus vrij logisch. Er werd (in dit geval) een generaliserende opmerking over moslims gemaakt (en jij weet net zo goed als ik dat dat heus niet opeens onverwacht is hier op het forum of out of character voor die forummer), een ander reageert daar fel op (min of meer, eigenlijk met een cynische opmerking), die ander krijgt een belediging naar haar hoofd en is daar pissig over. In diezelfde tien minuten blijkt ook dat er véél meer aan de hand is, ik heb toen eerlijk gezegd niemand meer door zien gaan.
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 17:39
Ik kom zelf uit een omgeving met veel (christelijke) gelovigen, ik noem mezelf agnost, ik sluit niets bij voorbaat uit. Maar die omgeving bestaat uit mensen die behoorlijk orthodox zijn. Voor ieder probleem komen ze wel aanzetten met een bijbelse tekst. Dat je er niet altijd op zit te wachten, deert ze niet. Ze verschuilen zich er ook achter, het is dan niet hun mening, maar volgens hen is het dan hoe god ertegen aankijkt. Dus bijvoorbeeld zaken als homoseksualiteit en ongehuwd samenwonen zijn een gruwel in de ogen van de heer, maar dat zeggen zij dan niet, dat verkondigt hun god, beweren ze dan. Daar heb ik zo'n moeite mee, niet zelf verantwoordelijk nemen voor wat je vindt of denkt, nee, je verschuilt je achter de religie.
Denken is zo buitengewoon moeilijk dat velen de voorkeur geven aan oordelen. Otto Weiss
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 17:46
Wat je er ook van vindt, atheïsme is logisch/wetenschappelijk gezien toch echt geen religie hoor.
Ik zie wel eens voorbijkomen dat dit wel zo zou zijn.
Religieuzen: ik geloof dat X bestaat, ook al zijn de enige bewijzen subjectieve getuigenverklaringen.
Atheïsten: De kans dat X bestaat is statistisch gezien zó klein (allerlei tegenbewijzen) - en bovendien niet nodig als verklaring - dat men kan aannemen dat X niet bestaat.
Dat laatste is de standaard wetenschappelijke (statistische) methode, omdat je anders ook bij elk onbenullig empirisch onderzoekje rekening zou moeten houden met miljarden mogelijke onzichtbare entiteiten, die als uitleg voor een bepaald verschijnsel zouden kunnen dienen. Echter als er geen enkel bewijs voor het bestaan van al die mogelijke onzichtbare entiteiten is - en ze ook niet nodig zijn voor je uitleg - waarom zou je ze dan aannemen? De simpelste theorie wordt altijd geprefereerd. Atheïsten geloven niet in iets, volgende dezelfde logica waarmee 99.99% v/d mensheid niet gelooft dat onweer door een mogelijke dondergod komt; of dat water bevriest door mogelijke speciale vries-deeltjes die uit de lucht komen vallen.
Ik zie wel eens voorbijkomen dat dit wel zo zou zijn.
Religieuzen: ik geloof dat X bestaat, ook al zijn de enige bewijzen subjectieve getuigenverklaringen.
Atheïsten: De kans dat X bestaat is statistisch gezien zó klein (allerlei tegenbewijzen) - en bovendien niet nodig als verklaring - dat men kan aannemen dat X niet bestaat.
Dat laatste is de standaard wetenschappelijke (statistische) methode, omdat je anders ook bij elk onbenullig empirisch onderzoekje rekening zou moeten houden met miljarden mogelijke onzichtbare entiteiten, die als uitleg voor een bepaald verschijnsel zouden kunnen dienen. Echter als er geen enkel bewijs voor het bestaan van al die mogelijke onzichtbare entiteiten is - en ze ook niet nodig zijn voor je uitleg - waarom zou je ze dan aannemen? De simpelste theorie wordt altijd geprefereerd. Atheïsten geloven niet in iets, volgende dezelfde logica waarmee 99.99% v/d mensheid niet gelooft dat onweer door een mogelijke dondergod komt; of dat water bevriest door mogelijke speciale vries-deeltjes die uit de lucht komen vallen.
dinsdag 17 augustus 2010 om 20:19
quote:kareltje01 schreef op 17 augustus 2010 @ 07:02:
Discussie over het feit dat de moderne westerse Islam kenner Mohammed als een warlord ziet (naar huidige maatstaven natuurlijk)
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Dito teksten in de Bijbel, de Torah (die de bron vormt voor Bijbel en Koran), en tal van andere religieuze geschriften. Dus wat is je punt?
Daarbij is het gros van de citaten uit de context gelicht, waardoor het niet bruikbaar is in de draai die jij eraan geeft.
Discussie over het feit dat de moderne westerse Islam kenner Mohammed als een warlord ziet (naar huidige maatstaven natuurlijk)
..)Dito teksten in de Bijbel, de Torah (die de bron vormt voor Bijbel en Koran), en tal van andere religieuze geschriften. Dus wat is je punt?
Daarbij is het gros van de citaten uit de context gelicht, waardoor het niet bruikbaar is in de draai die jij eraan geeft.
